[Vision2020] 'Death to Obama' Sign Holder Detained

[Wayne Price]

Yes Tom,

I DO feel it is constitutionally sounds to utter such remarks. Notice  
the difference between mere  WORDS and deeds?
IF we have to error, lets error on the side of free speech.


For instance,  IF the fellow in Maryland can't say that, would I be  
able to say that George W. Bush should be indicted and tried  and hung  
as a war criminal for conducting a war of aggression?
Or that the Abu Grab torturers and those that set up the rules should  
be tried as war criminals and hung?





On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:

> Then . . . you feel it to be constitutionally sound to threaten the  
> lives
> of not only the president, but the president's spouse and children  
> in a
> public venue?
>
> This is NOT a general statement, like "All right-wing pukes should  
> die".
> These are threats to specific individuals.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>> Kai / Tom,
>>
>> I'm on the side that says is IS within his rights to say it. ALSO, I
>> disagree with the SOB, but I'm willing to defend his right to say it.
>> Only when we can stand up and defend the right of some one that gets
>> up and says something we find morally aborant, can we really say we
>> have free speech.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Kai Eiselein wrote:
>>
>>> As a matter of fact, I do believe he was within his First Amendment
>>> rights. (Note: I DO NOT agree with the sign.)
>>>
>>>
>>> THREATS AGAINST PRESIDENT
>>> 18 USC 871, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to
>>> willfully make a true threat to injure or kill the President of the
>>> United States.
>>>
>>> A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the
>>> following facts are proved beyond a reasonable doubt:
>>>
>>> First: That the person uttered words alleged to be the threat
>>> against the President;
>>>
>>> Second: That the person understood and meant the words he used as a
>>> true threat; and
>>>
>>> Third: That the person uttered the words knowingly and willfully.
>>>
>>> A "threat" is a statement expressing an intention to kill or injure
>>> the President; and a "true threat" means a serious threat as
>>> distinguished from words used as mere political argument, idle or
>>> careless talk, or something said in a joking manner.
>>>
>>> The essence of the offense is the knowing and willful making of a
>>> true threat. So, if it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the
>>> person knowingly made a true threat against the President, willfully
>>> intending that it be understood by others as a serious threat, then
>>> the offense is complete; it is not necessary to prove that the
>>> person actually intended to carry out the threat.
>>>
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> change
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