[Vision2020] Habeas Corpus at Bagram
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Tue Apr 28 20:23:13 PDT 2009
I can stop with this, or provide more. Let me know your pleasure.
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-April/063203.html
Sunil
From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Habeas Corpus at Bagram
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:57:58 -0700
Arbiter of manners? When? Where? Is there an specific
example of this you can point to or is this another example of campbell's
"hyperbole for comic effect" AKA making things up because, sadly, it's the best
you can do?
g
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From:
Sunil Ramalingam
Cc: vision 2020
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:17
PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Habeas Corpus
at Bagram
It's this sort of post that makes your attempts to become the
arbiter of manners so puzzling.
Sunil
From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To:
ophite at gmail.com; lfalen at turbonet.com
Date: Tue, 28 Apr
2009 17:51:05 -0700
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Habeas Corpus at Bagram
"Incidentally, I directed this originally at Gary, but he seems
unwilling to defend torture on its own terms."
My goodness isn't the nascent little ambulance
chaser cute when he gets all up on his hind legs and brays about how
others should be ashamed?
The reason that I don't "defend torture" is because
that I see no compelling need to. As I've said before, I do not believe
that waterboarding is torture, I do not believe that the previous
administration had a policy promoting the use of torture, and I don't
think that your pretending to be the arbiter of all that is
righteous, pure and holy necessitates my responding to every idle quack
and query that's directed my way.
Now how's about you knock it off with the phony shame
routine and save it for closing arguments in kiddy court alright?
g
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Original Message -----
From:
Andreas Schou
To:
lfalen
Cc:
vision2020
Sent:
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Habeas Corpus at Bagram
Roger --
No: just until the cessation of hostilities
in the "war on terror." Which, because it is not a "war" in any meaningful
sense, but rather a massive combined military/law enforcement action, cannot
ever end.
Incidentally, I directed this originally at Gary, but he
seems unwilling to defend torture on its own terms. You, on the other hand,
are not half as clever (or half as moral; I can't tell which). We did not
have an official policy of torture during WWII, when we were actually faced
with destruction by an opponent of equal strength. In the "War on Terror,"
we are faced with an enemy that has killed less than 1/10th the number of
Americans that died at Normandy.
To resort to barbarism in the face
of such a comparatively minor threat is rank cowardice. You should be
ashamed.
-- ACS
(Incidentally, Roger: by conceding that
waterboarding is torture, you just conceded that the Bush administration is
guilty of a number of crimes. A single instance of torture, or conspiracy to
commit torture, is a federal crime with a maximum punishment of life
imprisonment.)
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
wrote:
I never
said that there should be an indefinite suspension of habeas corpus. Don't
put words in my mouth.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Andreas Schou ophite at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Apr
2009 14:03:08 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Habeas Corpus at Bagram
> It was during a time of
armed insurrection, as specified in the
> Constitution. The United
States was rife with traitors, both to our
> principles and to our
government. He did what was necessary. Even accepting
> the
counterfactual that 9/11 was an armed insurrection, the
Constitution
> cannot possibly permit the indefinite suspension of
habeas corpus during a
> permanent war.
>
> --
ACS
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
wrote:
>
> > Joe
> > What do you think os
Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus?
> > Roger
> >
-----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:05:13 -0800
> > To: Andreas Schou
ophite at gmail.com
> >
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Habeas Corpus at Bagram
> >
>
> > FYI Hilary Bok is a philosopher. Works in free will, which is
the same
> > > area I work in.
> > >
> >
> Joe Campbell
> > >
> > > On Feb 24, 2009, at
7:35 PM, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > > Hilary Bok at the Washington Monthly has
the best piece I've seen
> > > > about the habeas corpus
rights of prisoners at Bagram. The previous
> > > >
administration's too-clever-by-half reading of U.S. v. Eisentrager
>
> > > (the case upon which the detention regime at Guantanamo)
has led to
> > > > some serious, and intentional, confusion
of the respective
> > > > jurisdictions of our military and
federal courts.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/
>
> > > 2009_02/017017.php
> > > >
> > >
> This article pretty much sums up what I think about Bagram.
>
> > >
> > > > -- ACS
> > > >
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