[Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations

[bear at moscow.com]

Roger,

While I agree that self defense is a basic right, torture isn't, even if
it is done in "self defense"!  I am sure that the Nazis in Poland, France,
and all the other countries they occupied were torturing in "self defense"
too! Are they to be let off the hook too? And what about the trials of the
nazi "legal advisors"? Should we now, based on the Bush Doctrine absolve
them of their crimes too?


Wayne

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> I am well aware of Hitchen,s opinion.  As I said before it may torture but
> it does not raise to the level to physical mutilation.
> Self defense is a basic right. To not do so is suicidal.
> Roger
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:51:02 -0700
> To: vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
>
>>
>> Roger,
>>
>> The only people claiming that whether waterboarding is torture is open
>> for debate are people trying to defend the practice. It's torture, plain
>> and simple.  You referred to Hitchens. He called it torture after he
>> went through it. Here's a link to an article he wrote about it:
>>
>> http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
>>
>> I don't know how you can defend it or the use of other torture
>> techniques.
>>
>> Sunil
>>
>> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:48:50 -0700
>> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
>> >
>> > All
>> > Looks like you have all been busy since I was last on here.
>> > The reports sited by Andreas do not gel with those I have reported on
>> here previously.
>> > Every one should be opposed to torture for tortures sake or for
>> sadistic pleasure(Abu Ghraib).
>> > Whether water boarding is torture or not is open to question. In any
>> case it does not rise to the level of pulling  out finger nails or
>> pulling off arms. It it did ,I do not think that Oliver North and
>> Christopher Hitckens would have submitted to it.
>> > Any so called enhanced interrogations should be used sparingly. It
>> should only be used in those cases where it might prevent a major
>> attack.  It should never be a routine practice of the police force or
>> for that matter of the military.
>> > Tom has relatives in L.A. He might change his mind if there were all
>> wiped out by an attack on L.A. that could have been prevented.
>> > Roger
>> >
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