[Vision2020] "Harsh" Interrogations -As ye sow, so shall you reep

[Paul Rumelhart]

That's an extremely dangerous point of view, Roger.  How far do you take 
it?  It's possible that daily random inspections of citizen's houses by 
SWAT teams could yield some data.  Or that torturing every Muslim in 
America would also yield results.  The Internet could be used to pass 
encrypted information between terrorist cells, maybe it should be shut 
down?  Perhaps a "shoot-on-sight" curfew would help make us safer from 
the threat of terrorism?

I'm tired of this country being run by a bunch of cowards.  Draw a moral 
line in the sand, and stick to it.  Do what is right because it is 
right, not because it is expedient.

Paul


lfalen wrote:
> Bear
> You are wrong on this.
> Because a confession was extracted fron this lady does not mean that she was a spy. What we may have done at GITMO had no bearing on how Iran conducts interrogations. They would use brutal tactics no matter what we do.
> As to our security I believe the following:
> 1. If an interrogator thinks that there is good reason to believe a detainee has information of an impending attack and does not use what ever means is necessary to obtain that information and 
> 2 There is a subsequent attack that results in a loss of life.then
> 3. Those interrogators should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty. 
> Former CIA Director Casey said that over 50% of the valid information about al-Quaeda came from detainees and that an attack on L.A was thwarted by information obtained from KSM.
> Roger
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: bear at moscow.cotwo year period?  How about ten years?m
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:50:18 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] "Harsh" Interrogations -As ye sow, so shall you reep
>
>   
>> Well, what we have said is fine, is now coming back to bite us.
>>
>>  American-Iranian journalist Roxana Saberi was sentenced  to eight years' jail on Saturday
>> after 
>> being convicted in a secret trial of spying for the United States. Her Iranian-born
>> father, Reza 
>> Saberi, says she may have been tricked into a confession, believing she would be released
>> if 
>> she co-operated with the authorities. He said his daughter was so depressed by her
>> sentence - 
>> the harshest ever given to a dual national on security charges in Iran - that she is
>> threatening 
>> to go on hunger strike.
>>
>> Will they force feed her like we have force fed the prisoners at Guantánamo Bay Detention 
>> Camp when they have gone on hunger strikes? IF they do, what makes us think we have a
>> right 
>> to object?
>>
>> Did they use enhanced interrogation techniques to discover that she was a spy? And
>> remember, 
>> she was arrested for SPYING. If she was in the United States could we have sued enhanced 
>> interrogation techniques?  US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said on BBC Radio 4
>> that 
>> since these methods are not intended to punish they do not violate the Eighth Amendment to
>>
>> the United States Constitution, barring "cruel and unusual punishment", and as such may
>> not 
>> be unconstitutional.
>>
>> Well, we started this dog fight, now we pay. How do we get back on the moral high ground 
>> where this kind of behavior from ANY GOVERNMENT is wrong? I believe it starts with the 
>> indictment and arrest of George W. Bush et al. Or don't they think they'd get a fair
>> trial? They 
>> sure as hell would get better treatment awaiting trial than they gave!
>>
>>
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