[Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 13 19:42:36 PDT 2009 

Bear,
 
Yes you did ask that, precisely your words were,
 
"You state below that 'God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse them', where? In the Bible? You can't use the Bible where it supports your position and then say it's bunk when it doesn't!"
 
I told you where it says that, precisely;
 
Matthew 22:34-40
 
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the
law and the prophets."
 
It is the second commandment, that is where it says slavery and abuse of slaves is wrong. 
Because you are suppose to love thy neighbor as thy self.
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan

 



--- On Mon, 4/13/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:


From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Ralph Nielsen" <nielsen at uidaho.edu>, vision2020 at moscow.com, bear at moscow.com
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:56 PM


NO Donovan, I NEVER asked that. What I ask was WHICH one of the ten commandments YOU 
were quoting. YOU stated," First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you 
disagree?" It is your quote, not mine.

I said that I disagree and am asking YOU which of the TEN COMMANDMENTS says that.


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> Bear,
>  
> You asked where it said in the Bible not to sell your neighbor and abuse
th> em. 
>  
> It says in the Bible, directly from Jesus,
>  
> "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
> and with all your soul, and with all your mind. is the greatest
> and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love
> your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the
> law and the prophets.-Jesus---Matthew 22:34-40
>  
> Unless you want to absurdly assert that selling someone into slavery and
ab> use is not contrary to loving them, your question has been
satisfactor> ily answered as to where it says slavery and abuse of your neighbor is
wron> g in the Bible. 
> 
> Best Regards,
>  
> Donovan
>  
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Ralph Nielsen"
<niels> en at uidaho.edu>, vision2020 at moscow.com, bear at moscow.com
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:04 PM
> 
> 
> Donovan,
> 
> I'm afraid I DO disagree, which commandment says that?
> 
> The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus,
Chapt> er 20. They 
> were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He
> had delivered
> them 
> from slavery in Egypt: 
> "And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God… 
> 
> ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.' 
> TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of
anyth> ing that is in 
> heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water
unde> r the earth.' 
> THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.' 
> FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.' 
> FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.' 
> SIX: 'You shall not murder.' 
> SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.' 
> EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.' 
> NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' 
> TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your
n> eighbor's wife,
> nor 
> his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor
a> nything that is
> your 
> neighbor's.'
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> --
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> > Bear,
> >  
> > First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you disagree?
> >  
> > 
> > ‘“You shall love the Lord your
Go> d with all your heart,
> and>  with all your soul, and with all your
mind.â€ï¿> ½ This is the greatest
> > and first commandment. And a second is like it: “You
> shall love
> you> r neighbour as yourself.� On these two
commandm> ents hang all the
> la> w and the
prophets.’--Jesusâ€â€> �Matthew 22:34-40
> >  
> > Second, Are you arguing that selling someone into slavery and abusing
the> m
> > is not contrary to this law?
> >  
> > Best Regards,
> >  
> > Donovan
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
> > To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Ralph Nielsen"
> <niels> en at uidaho.edu>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 4:16 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Donovan,
> > 
> > You state below that "God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse
> th> em", where? In
> > the 
> > Bible?
> > You can't use the Bible where it supports your position and then say it's
> b> unk when it
> > doesn't!
> > 
> >
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> -
> > > Ralph,  
> > > The Bible is not the law of the land. And I don't know of any men,
> > including Wilson, that want to adopt Leviticus or Exodus as
such.Â>  
> Â>  
> > > God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse them.  
> > > Women were sold in ancient times, or given a dowry, in
order>  to
> repa> y
> > the  father for the cost of raising and protecting her, which
> was
> expe> nsive to
> > > do. You have to watch them 24 hours a day. 
> > >  
> > > Your interpretation of God, and the Bible seems extremely corrupted.
> > Perhaps it is your prejudice against people that know a loving God
> exists.>  
> > >  
> > > Best Regards,
> > >  
> > > Donovan
> > > 
> > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
> > > To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 2:54 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't think anyone suggested that he was, Donovan. But there are all
> to> o
> > > many like him who want to make it the law of the land. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > As I pointed out, the God of the Bible says it is OK for a father to
se> ll
> > h> is daughter into slavery. Doug seems to lack a sense of morality so he
> > goes>  by the rule that if it's biblical, it's moral.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ralph
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Wilson is not the law of the land. He is not in a position to enforce
h> is
> > r> eligious symbolism literally on the country. Only people that wish to
> > follo> w his words do, not by force.
> > >  
> > > There seems to be a deep sense of confusion amongst some liberals
betwe> en
> > r> eligious symbolism and an actual judge and government forcing an 8
yea> r
> > old>  girl to marry a 40-something year old man.
> > >  
> > > As a Christian, I believe, and my religious leaders will tell me, to
> hono> r
> > > my Mother and Father, and I willfully try to do so. However, they are
n> ot
> > a> dvocating that it be law that I do whatever my parents tell me to do
a> s
> > an
> > > adult.
> > >  
> > > I don't know Wilson theology, but I am sure he is against 8 year old
> girl> s
> > > being forced to marry and do whatever a 40 year old man tells her to
do> ..
> > I
> > > am sure he is also against the buying and selling of people as
property> ..
> > Bu> t even if he wasn't, who cares, he isn't in a position, or seeking a
> > positi> on, to enforce it. I am concerned with those that are being
force> d
> > right
> > no> w, and an ancient system of governing that is operates serious
> injustic> es
> > a> gainst people, especially women and children.
> > >  
> > > Best Regards,
> > >  
> > > Donovan
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
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