[Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama

[No Weatherman]

Andreas,

You missed several of Kurtz's points, mostly because I didn't link to
his follow-up piece:

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MTViMGRmMmYxZTgwZTFjYmFjODU5YzM4Y2MwM2ViMjY=

Notice this: "The Chicago Annenberg Challenge stands as Barack Obama's
most important executive experience to date. By its own account, CAC
was a largely a failure."

Two memoirs and no mention of CAC or the millions of dollars they
squandered trying to "reform" the Chicago school system.

Repeat after me: "Change you can believe in."

But the real issue is that you're whistling through the graveyard.
This was evident when you dismissed domestic terrorist Bill Ayers'
crimes as a "particularly heinous and dangerous form of vandalism."

Last time I checked, throwing a rock through my neighbor's window was
"vandalism." Blowing up buildings to scare the hell out of the general
population (hence the word "terror") and intending to overthrow the US
government is terrorism proper. By comparison, Ayers' objective was no
different than the 9/11 terrorists. Or should I call them "vandals"?
The Weathermen literally declared war on the US and Ayers and his
fellow terrorists acted on their declaration.

And if you call Obama's first and primary executive experience of
sitting on the board of directors of an organization founded by a
domestic terrorist and serving on that board with the domestic
terrorist a connection of "the slenderest of threads," then I'm pretty
sure there's nothing left to discuss. Nothing, that is, except that
Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn launched Obama's political career in
the living room of their Hyde Park home.

http://warrenpeacemuse.blogspot.com/2005/01/get-to-know-barack-obama-when-i-first.html

Sounds slender to me.

Obama's connection to Ayers goes back to 1988 — perhaps farther. You
cannot escape Obama's past, though I don't blame you for wanting to
dismiss it. I simply believe it would be better for Americans to know
his past now rather than later, and I'm surprised at your disinterest.


On 9/24/08, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:39 AM, No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > I hate to be a nattering nabob of negativity, but to be fair, if you
>  > read Liddy's biography, as I have, and if you listen to him on the
>  > radio, as I do, then you'd know that Liddy justifies his illegal
>  > activities by arguing that America was fighting a two-front war at the
>  > time — one in Nam and the other on the streets of the US.
>
>
> I frankly don''t give a shit how G. Gordon justifies his miscellaneous
>  acts of treason treason: he stole elections, conspired to commit
>  murder, committed burglary, and wiretapped his political enemies'
>  phones. The man was a brownshirt, and if Nixon's crimes against
>  America hadn't been quietly swept under the rug, he would've been hung
>  from the neck until dead, along with his co-conspirators. Every
>  monster in history has justified his crimes while claiming it was for
>  the better good: this does not relieve them from adhering to an
>  objective standard of right and wrong.
>
>  As for Ayers:
>
>  Kurtz got access to his '70 linear feet' of records, and the best he
>  could get was scare quotes. Ayers was on the five-man committee that
>  nominated Obama to the CAC. Scary! Ayers got several of his
>  "leadership initiatives" funded through the CAC.  Terrifying! Obama
>  funded one of his own private initiatives using CAC funds. Radical!
>
>  Other than placing quotes around a number of educational terms of art
>  in order to make them look suspicious, Stanley Kurtz -- the most
>  hostile reader possible -- got exactly what anyone would get out of 70
>  linear feet of nonprofit board meetings. Which is to say, nothing.
>  Nothing whatsoever. Nothing reflecting a relationship more extensive
>  than 'two guys who once sat on a nonprofit board together.'
>
>  The rest of your email is nothing more than miscellaneous bad things
>  about Ayers, who is a very bad man connected by the slenderest of
>  threads to a Presidential candidate.
>
>  -- ACS
>
>  * Incidentally, anyone who thinks the CAC was a radical organization
>  might like to know that it was funded by the Annenberg Trust, a family
>  foundation notable not for manufacturing pipe bombs but funding NPR
>  and the video 'Algebra: In Simplest Terms.'
>
>   largely notable for being a large private funder of NPR.
>