[Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Fri Sep 19 08:51:00 PDT 2008
Liddy's been living "a decent life"? Coaching gun owners to shoot federal agents? Crowing about target practice with Bill and Hillary pictures?
For that matter, and on a much less serious note, answering virtually every radio show "how are you?" with "potent and virile"? He may have served his time, but I think that "decent life" has yet to be fulfilled in the G-man.
Keely
http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> To: joekc at roadrunner.com
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:26:19 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
>
> I know a bit about American history and Watergate in particular. Are you
> trying to tell me that Watergate was all about G. Gordon Liddy? Liddy was a
> minor player in the Watergate scandal, a foot soldier who ended up bearing
> the brunt of the punishment for people above him. John Dean, A Watergate
> principal who has been held up on this forum as a man whose opinion is
> worthy of respectful consideration, had far more to do with Watergate and
> it's subsequent cover up then Liddy ever did. Liddy readily admitted that
> he did the crime, he did the time, he paid his debt to society and has gone
> on to lead a decent life. That McCain should have to move heaven and earth
> to disassociate himself from the man seems unreasonable.
>
> g
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <joekc at roadrunner.com>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
>
>
> > You are twisting the argument. No one is sticking up for Ayers. The point
> > is that if Ayers matters
> > to Obama's reputation, Liddy should matter to McCain's. Another point is
> > that, relatively speaking,
> > Ayers is not worse than Liddy and Liddy is not better than Ayers. I think
> > Liddy is far worse.
> >
> > Watergate revealed a much deeper threat to American democracy. The simple
> > fact is that Nixon
> > cheated in a broad number of ways. Cheated in winning the presidential
> > election. Look up "Watergate," do a bit of research, and learn something
> > about American history. Are you trying to
> > tell me that that Nixon resigned the presidency merely because of an
> > unsuccessful burglary?
> >
> > What does democracy stand for if not for fair elections for the presidency
> > of the US, where the
> > people may be certain that the choice is the product of their will and not
> > the will of a select few?
> > Do you think that Barry Bonds deserves the home run king crown if it turns
> > out that he took
> > steroids? No. He cheated. At the very least, Nixon cheated in his second
> > presidential bid, cheated
> > in an election for the president of the US. He won unfairly and Liddy
> > helped.
> >
> > And Ayers did not get off scot free. The charges were dropped. Why?
> > Prosecutorial misconduct.
> >
> > --
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >> I guess since the argument being put forward is that Ayers should be
> >> given a
> >> bye because he didn't really cause any harm, the same slack needs to be
> >> granted to Mr. Liddy. After all, the Watergate break in was unsuccessful
> >> and
> >> the burglars (a fairly incompetent bunch) were all arrested. So, since no
> >> presidential campaign was hijacked and no vote was taken out of the hands
> >> of
> >> the people it seems to me that you are holding G.Gordon to a much higher
> >> standard. At the very least Ayers committed an act of gross vandalism and
> >> reckless endangerment and got off Scot free. Liddy was complicit in a
> >> failed
> >> break in and did five and a half years. He did the crime and he did the
> >> time. Throwing in some silly disclaimer whenever his name comes up seems
> >> as
> >> daft and unnecessary as saying "setting off bombs designed to maximize
> >> injury and death in public places is a very, very bad thing.
> >>
> >> g
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <joekc at roadrunner.com>
> >> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:20 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
> >>
> >>
> >> > What would be worse: a terrorist from another land blowing up some
> >> > buildings or a terrorist from
> >> > another land hijacking a presidential campaign and ensuring that one
> >> > candidate wins over
> >> > another? I think that hijacking a presidential campaign is about the
> >> > worst
> >> > thing that anyone can
> >> > do in a democracy. I'm a bit shocked that not everyone sees it this
> >> > way.
> >> > Like Donovan I'm no fan
> >> > of Ayers but to post anything on this topic without condemning Liddy
> >> > seems
> >> > to be an insult to our
> >> > form of government. Why not at least throw in a "Oh, by the way taking
> >> > the
> >> > vote for president out
> >> > of the people and putting it into the hands of a few is a very, very
> >> > bad
> >> > thing."
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Joe Campbell
> >> >
> >> > ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >> >> Read what I wrote. I did not claim that he killed anyone. I said that
> >> >> the
> >> >> act of setting off explosives wrapped in nails in public places is
> >> >> akin
> >> >> to attempted murder. If I light your apartment building on fire and,
> >> >> by
> >> >> the grace of God, no one is injured or killed am I mearly guilty of
> >> >> failure to obtain a permit for an open burn?
> >> >>
> >> >> g
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: Donovan Arnold
> >> >> To: Andreas Schou ; vision2020 ; g. crabtree
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:46 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Gary,
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't condone the actions of Ayers. But he never killed
> >> >> anyone.
> >> >> To say he did is an incorrect statement. If you can demonstrate to me
> >> >> (an
> >> >> online article etc.) he killed someone, I will accept your statement
> >> >> as
> >> >> fact. Otherwise, I say your judgment and understanding on this matter
> >> >> is
> >> >> deeply in question.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Donovan
> >> >>
> >> >> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> From: g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
> >> >> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Andreas Schou"
> >> >> <ophite at gmail.com>, "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:30 AM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Are you insinuating that Bill Ayers tried to kill people?"
> >> >>
> >> >> No, I am not insinuating I am saying it flat out. Placing
> >> >> anti
> >> >> personnel bombs in public places is attempted murder. When the vermin
> >> >> in
> >> >> Baghdad or Sader City or Fallujah set of IED's they don't know the
> >> >> names
> >> >> of those they are attempting to murder and maim. Is it your contention
> >> >> that they are not trying to kill people?
> >> >>
> >> >> g
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: Donovan Arnold
> >> >> To: Andreas Schou ; vision2020 ; g. crabtree
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:42 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "No small accomplishment. Oh yeah, he has never
> >> >> attempted to slaughter soldiers and police via the cowardly practice
> >> >> of
> >> >> hiding and detonating explosives wrapped in nails."
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you insinuating that Bill Ayers tried to kill
> >> >> people? I am no fan of Ayers. But I think you are off base saying he
> >> >> killed, or even attempted to kill people. If you think this, please
> >> >> provide us with the names of people Ayers attempted to kill, or who he
> >> >> killed.
> >> >>
> >> >> The people that McCain worked for between 1979 and
> >> >> 1992
> >> >> harmed more people than Ayers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Donovan
> >> >>
> >> >> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, g. crabtree
> >> >> <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> From: g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack
> >> >> Obama
> >> >> To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>,
> >> >> "vision2020"
> >> >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 7:24 PM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> So what's your problem with the G-Man? The guy did his time in
> >> >> anything
> >> >> but
> >> >> country club conditions until your hero, James Earl Carter, commuted
> >> >> his
> >> >> sentence. He never ratted out his associates and he's managed to
> >> >> support
> >> >> himself and his family as an ex-con. No small accomplishment. Oh yeah,
> >> >> he
> >> >> has never attempted to slaughter soldiers and police via the cowardly
> >> >> practice of hiding and detonating explosives wrapped in nails. All
> >> >> things
> >> >> considered, I know that I would much rather associate with a man who
> >> >> served
> >> >> his time and was released from prison than an unrepentant attempted
> >> >> murderer
> >> >> whose only regret is that he couldn't cause more carnage and mayhem.
> >> >> Of
> >> >> course that's just me.
> >> >>
> >> >> g
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
> >> >> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:32 PM
> >> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > They both knew each other. They were both appointed to co-chair an
> >> >> > education panel by Mayor Daley, and the prior state Senator from
> >> >> > Obama's seat introduced him at Bill Ayers' house. No large,
> >> >> ongoing
> >> >> > connection. But here's the thing:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why isn't John McCain's friendship with G. Gordon Liddy a campaign
> >> >> > issue? Is there any defensible reason for treating Liddy like a
> >> >> > rehabilitated member of the community, rather than as a threat to
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Republic? If so, why?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- ACS
> >> >> >
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