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<span style="font-family: Tahoma,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;">Liddy's been living "a decent life"? Coaching gun owners to shoot federal agents? Crowing about target practice with Bill and Hillary pictures? <br><br>For that matter, and on a much less serious note, answering virtually every radio show "how are you?" with "potent and virile"? He may have served his time, but I think that "decent life" has yet to be fulfilled in the G-man.<br></span><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br>> From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> To: joekc@roadrunner.com<br>> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:26:19 -0700<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama<br>> <br>> I know a bit about American history and Watergate in particular. Are you <br>> trying to tell me that Watergate was all about G. Gordon Liddy? Liddy was a <br>> minor player in the Watergate scandal, a foot soldier who ended up bearing <br>> the brunt of the punishment for people above him. John Dean, A Watergate <br>> principal who has been held up on this forum as a man whose opinion is <br>> worthy of respectful consideration, had far more to do with Watergate and <br>> it's subsequent cover up then Liddy ever did. Liddy readily admitted that <br>> he did the crime, he did the time, he paid his debt to society and has gone <br>> on to lead a decent life. That McCain should have to move heaven and earth <br>> to disassociate himself from the man seems unreasonable.<br>> <br>> g<br>> <br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: <joekc@roadrunner.com><br>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> Cc: "vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 6:38 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama<br>> <br>> <br>> > You are twisting the argument. No one is sticking up for Ayers. The point <br>> > is that if Ayers matters<br>> > to Obama's reputation, Liddy should matter to McCain's. Another point is <br>> > that, relatively speaking,<br>> > Ayers is not worse than Liddy and Liddy is not better than Ayers. I think <br>> > Liddy is far worse.<br>> ><br>> > Watergate revealed a much deeper threat to American democracy. The simple <br>> > fact is that Nixon<br>> > cheated in a broad number of ways. Cheated in winning the presidential <br>> > election. Look up "Watergate," do a bit of research, and learn something <br>> > about American history. Are you trying to<br>> > tell me that that Nixon resigned the presidency merely because of an <br>> > unsuccessful burglary?<br>> ><br>> > What does democracy stand for if not for fair elections for the presidency <br>> > of the US, where the<br>> > people may be certain that the choice is the product of their will and not <br>> > the will of a select few?<br>> > Do you think that Barry Bonds deserves the home run king crown if it turns <br>> > out that he took<br>> > steroids? No. He cheated. At the very least, Nixon cheated in his second <br>> > presidential bid, cheated<br>> > in an election for the president of the US. He won unfairly and Liddy <br>> > helped.<br>> ><br>> > And Ayers did not get off scot free. The charges were dropped. Why? <br>> > Prosecutorial misconduct.<br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > Joe Campbell<br>> ><br>> > ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com> wrote:<br>> >> I guess since the argument being put forward is that Ayers should be <br>> >> given a<br>> >> bye because he didn't really cause any harm, the same slack needs to be<br>> >> granted to Mr. Liddy. After all, the Watergate break in was unsuccessful <br>> >> and<br>> >> the burglars (a fairly incompetent bunch) were all arrested. So, since no<br>> >> presidential campaign was hijacked and no vote was taken out of the hands <br>> >> of<br>> >> the people it seems to me that you are holding G.Gordon to a much higher<br>> >> standard. At the very least Ayers committed an act of gross vandalism and<br>> >> reckless endangerment and got off Scot free. Liddy was complicit in a <br>> >> failed<br>> >> break in and did five and a half years. He did the crime and he did the<br>> >> time. Throwing in some silly disclaimer whenever his name comes up seems <br>> >> as<br>> >> daft and unnecessary as saying "setting off bombs designed to maximize<br>> >> injury and death in public places is a very, very bad thing.<br>> >><br>> >> g<br>> >> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> >> From: <joekc@roadrunner.com><br>> >> To: "vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:20 AM<br>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> > What would be worse: a terrorist from another land blowing up some<br>> >> > buildings or a terrorist from<br>> >> > another land hijacking a presidential campaign and ensuring that one<br>> >> > candidate wins over<br>> >> > another? I think that hijacking a presidential campaign is about the <br>> >> > worst<br>> >> > thing that anyone can<br>> >> > do in a democracy. I'm a bit shocked that not everyone sees it this <br>> >> > way.<br>> >> > Like Donovan I'm no fan<br>> >> > of Ayers but to post anything on this topic without condemning Liddy <br>> >> > seems<br>> >> > to be an insult to our<br>> >> > form of government. Why not at least throw in a "Oh, by the way taking <br>> >> > the<br>> >> > vote for president out<br>> >> > of the people and putting it into the hands of a few is a very, very <br>> >> > bad<br>> >> > thing."<br>> >> ><br>> >> > --<br>> >> > Joe Campbell<br>> >> ><br>> >> > ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com> wrote:<br>> >> >> Read what I wrote. I did not claim that he killed anyone. I said that <br>> >> >> the<br>> >> >> act of setting off explosives wrapped in nails in public places is <br>> >> >> akin<br>> >> >> to attempted murder. If I light your apartment building on fire and, <br>> >> >> by<br>> >> >> the grace of God, no one is injured or killed am I mearly guilty of<br>> >> >> failure to obtain a permit for an open burn?<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> g<br>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> >> >> From: Donovan Arnold<br>> >> >> To: Andreas Schou ; vision2020 ; g. crabtree<br>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:46 PM<br>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Gary,<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> I don't condone the actions of Ayers. But he never killed <br>> >> >> anyone.<br>> >> >> To say he did is an incorrect statement. If you can demonstrate to me <br>> >> >> (an<br>> >> >> online article etc.) he killed someone, I will accept your statement <br>> >> >> as<br>> >> >> fact. Otherwise, I say your judgment and understanding on this matter <br>> >> >> is<br>> >> >> deeply in question.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Best Regards,<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Donovan<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com> <br>> >> >> wrote:<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> From: g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama<br>> >> >> To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com, "Andreas Schou"<br>> >> >> <ophite@gmail.com>, "vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >> >> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:30 AM<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> "Are you insinuating that Bill Ayers tried to kill people?"<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> No, I am not insinuating I am saying it flat out. Placing <br>> >> >> anti<br>> >> >> personnel bombs in public places is attempted murder. When the vermin <br>> >> >> in<br>> >> >> Baghdad or Sader City or Fallujah set of IED's they don't know the <br>> >> >> names<br>> >> >> of those they are attempting to murder and maim. Is it your contention<br>> >> >> that they are not trying to kill people?<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> g<br>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> >> >> From: Donovan Arnold<br>> >> >> To: Andreas Schou ; vision2020 ; g. crabtree<br>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:42 AM<br>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> "No small accomplishment. Oh yeah, he has never<br>> >> >> attempted to slaughter soldiers and police via the cowardly practice <br>> >> >> of<br>> >> >> hiding and detonating explosives wrapped in nails."<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Are you insinuating that Bill Ayers tried to kill<br>> >> >> people? I am no fan of Ayers. But I think you are off base saying he<br>> >> >> killed, or even attempted to kill people. If you think this, please<br>> >> >> provide us with the names of people Ayers attempted to kill, or who he<br>> >> >> killed.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> The people that McCain worked for between 1979 and <br>> >> >> 1992<br>> >> >> harmed more people than Ayers.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Best Regards,<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Donovan<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, g. crabtree<br>> >> >> <jampot@roadrunner.com> wrote:<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> From: g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack <br>> >> >> Obama<br>> >> >> To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite@gmail.com>, <br>> >> >> "vision2020"<br>> >> >> <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >> >> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 7:24 PM<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> So what's your problem with the G-Man? The guy did his time in <br>> >> >> anything<br>> >> >> but<br>> >> >> country club conditions until your hero, James Earl Carter, commuted <br>> >> >> his<br>> >> >> sentence. He never ratted out his associates and he's managed to <br>> >> >> support<br>> >> >> himself and his family as an ex-con. No small accomplishment. Oh yeah, <br>> >> >> he<br>> >> >> has never attempted to slaughter soldiers and police via the cowardly<br>> >> >> practice of hiding and detonating explosives wrapped in nails. All <br>> >> >> things<br>> >> >> considered, I know that I would much rather associate with a man who<br>> >> >> served<br>> >> >> his time and was released from prison than an unrepentant attempted<br>> >> >> murderer<br>> >> >> whose only regret is that he couldn't cause more carnage and mayhem. <br>> >> >> Of<br>> >> >> course that's just me.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> g<br>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> >> >> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite@gmail.com><br>> >> >> To: "vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:32 PM<br>> >> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> > They both knew each other. They were both appointed to co-chair an<br>> >> >> > education panel by Mayor Daley, and the prior state Senator from<br>> >> >> > Obama's seat introduced him at Bill Ayers' house. No large,<br>> >> >> ongoing<br>> >> >> > connection. But here's the thing:<br>> >> >> ><br>> >> >> > Why isn't John McCain's friendship with G. Gordon Liddy a campaign<br>> >> >> > issue? Is there any defensible reason for treating Liddy like a<br>> >> >> > rehabilitated member of the community, rather than as a threat to <br>> >> >> > the<br>> >> >> > Republic? If so, why?<br>> >> >> ><br>> >> >> > -- ACS<br>> >> >> ><br>> >> >> > =======================================================<br>> >> >> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> >> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> >> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> >> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> >> > =======================================================<br>> >> >> ><br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> =======================================================<br>> >> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> >> =======================================================<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> =======================================================<br>> >> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> >> =======================================================<br>> >> >><br>> >> ><br>> >> > =======================================================<br>> >> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> > =======================================================<br>> >> ><br>> >><br>> >><br>> ><br>> > <br>> <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br /><hr />See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. <a href='http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/' target='_new'>See Now</a></body>
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