[Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
joekc at roadrunner.com
joekc at roadrunner.com
Thu Sep 18 07:20:31 PDT 2008
What would be worse: a terrorist from another land blowing up some buildings or a terrorist from
another land hijacking a presidential campaign and ensuring that one candidate wins over
another? I think that hijacking a presidential campaign is about the worst thing that anyone can
do in a democracy. I'm a bit shocked that not everyone sees it this way. Like Donovan I'm no fan
of Ayers but to post anything on this topic without condemning Liddy seems to be an insult to our
form of government. Why not at least throw in a "Oh, by the way taking the vote for president out
of the people and putting it into the hands of a few is a very, very bad thing."
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Joe Campbell
---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Read what I wrote. I did not claim that he killed anyone. I said that the act of setting off explosives wrapped in nails in public places is akin to attempted murder. If I light your apartment building on fire and, by the grace of God, no one is injured or killed am I mearly guilty of failure to obtain a permit for an open burn?
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: Andreas Schou ; vision2020 ; g. crabtree
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
>
>
> Gary,
>
> I don't condone the actions of Ayers. But he never killed anyone. To say he did is an incorrect statement. If you can demonstrate to me (an online article etc.) he killed someone, I will accept your statement as fact. Otherwise, I say your judgment and understanding on this matter is deeply in question.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
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> From: g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>, "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:30 AM
>
>
> "Are you insinuating that Bill Ayers tried to kill people?"
>
> No, I am not insinuating I am saying it flat out. Placing anti personnel bombs in public places is attempted murder. When the vermin in Baghdad or Sader City or Fallujah set of IED's they don't know the names of those they are attempting to murder and maim. Is it your contention that they are not trying to kill people?
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: Andreas Schou ; vision2020 ; g. crabtree
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
>
>
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> "No small accomplishment. Oh yeah, he has never attempted to slaughter soldiers and police via the cowardly practice of hiding and detonating explosives wrapped in nails."
>
> Are you insinuating that Bill Ayers tried to kill people? I am no fan of Ayers. But I think you are off base saying he killed, or even attempted to kill people. If you think this, please provide us with the names of people Ayers attempted to kill, or who he killed.
>
> The people that McCain worked for between 1979 and 1992 harmed more people than Ayers.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> From: g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
> To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>, "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 7:24 PM
>
>
> So what's your problem with the G-Man? The guy did his time in anything but
> country club conditions until your hero, James Earl Carter, commuted his
> sentence. He never ratted out his associates and he's managed to support
> himself and his family as an ex-con. No small accomplishment. Oh yeah, he
> has never attempted to slaughter soldiers and police via the cowardly
> practice of hiding and detonating explosives wrapped in nails. All things
> considered, I know that I would much rather associate with a man who served
> his time and was released from prison than an unrepentant attempted murderer
> whose only regret is that he couldn't cause more carnage and mayhem. Of
> course that's just me.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:32 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama
>
>
> > They both knew each other. They were both appointed to co-chair an
> > education panel by Mayor Daley, and the prior state Senator from
> > Obama's seat introduced him at Bill Ayers' house. No large,
> ongoing
> > connection. But here's the thing:
> >
> > Why isn't John McCain's friendship with G. Gordon Liddy a campaign
> > issue? Is there any defensible reason for treating Liddy like a
> > rehabilitated member of the community, rather than as a threat to the
> > Republic? If so, why?
> >
> > -- ACS
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