[Vision2020] Curious

Tue Sep 16 10:46:11 PDT 2008

Gary,

Did you also think that George W. Bush would do the least damage when he was running against Gore and Kerry?  I can't image things going much worse than an extended expensive war, the real estate market collapse, the stock market crashing, and gas hovering near $4 a gallon.  Not that I pin this all on the George W. Bush administration as there is a Democratic Congress to share in the blame as well.  The funny thing to me is that each party works so hard to get their candidate elected to the White House and more often than not, the opposing party will - within a short period of time - take over Congress and change the entire policy making charter.  Remember how disastrous it was for Republicans when Clinton was elected in 1992?  In 1994, the Republicans swept into control Congress for the first time in 40 years and passed most of their 'Contract with America' agenda.  With a Democrat in the White House, they got more Republican legislation passed than they could have with their own candidate.  Be careful what you wish for.  Harry Blackmun who wrote the majority opinion for Roe v Wade was appointed by a Republican president while Robert Casey - a Democratic governor from Pennsylvania - was able to enact restrictions above Roe v Wade.  Personally I'm relieved that Obama and McCain are more centrists than extremists so I'm not too concerned about which one ultimately prevails in the upcoming election.

-Scott

From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: mattd2107 at hotmail.com; kjajmix1 at msn.com; starbliss at gmail.com; sslund_2007 at verizon.net
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:31:52 -0700
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curious

Matt, In many ways you're right but, it all boils down to 
this. You can vote for a ticket that's wrong half the time (R) or a ticket 
that's wrong all the time(D). In know it's better to be excited and vote FOR a 
candidate that you can get behind but when you are faced with this kind of 
painful reality you've got to man up, hold your nose and vote the man who will 
do the least damage. For me that's McCain.

g

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Matt 
  Decker 
  To: keely emerinemix ; Ted Moffett ; 
  Saundra 
  Lund 
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curious

Really? I think keely, Saundra, and Ted have the old realm on 
  this topic. Our country, for the most part, couldn't name the capitol of Iraq. 
  Our youth cares more about you is in the "in" then who could be a leader. An 
  attractive VP, SURE. Reality is though both candidates are poop. We need 
  another.

Obama has been in the spotlight  for two years now. Yes 
  hes done a fine job in Illinois, but is he really the answer? For you die hard 
  democrats out there, what really has he done(without looking on the internet)? 
  He has been the celebrity for a while now. Soon as Palin comes around though, 
  the whole celebrity name calling comes out. Let me ask you this, Is he the 
  Real answer of change?

What about Mccain? Another F*#@ing four years of 
  Bush. Sure I hear your pain. Thats why I hoped to god that Hilliary didn't get 
  in. Mccain has turned me off by his votes against the troops, along with 
  others. Is John my vote? No. My vote matters little, it's all about the 
  masses.

I believe that most are controlled by the media. TV hype. And 
  who is the biggest, hippest dude on the block? It's the black Fonzie. The 
  recent hype is Palin, but in true time, Barrack will be the celeb. Our youth 
  as a whole doesn't know where our voting stands are located. 

Give me a 
  leader that has some umph and I will be in the lead pack. until then I will 
  not cast my vote. Obama and Palin is not the answer to real change. 

M

  From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
To: starbliss at gmail.com; 
  sslund_2007 at verizon.net
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:39:12 -0700
CC: 
  vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curious

  I think Ted (and Saundra) have this nailed.  As I've said before, and 
  will no doubt say again, I believe that God allowed the election and 
  re-election of George W. Bush as a judgment against this country, and we 
  appear to be more than eager to fill up the remainder of censure against the 
  direction we're 
  going.

Keely
http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/

  Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:55:24 -0700
From: starbliss at gmail.com
To: 
  sslund_2007 at verizon.net
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: 
  [Vision2020] Curious

  Palin is an example of the "curious" phenomenon referred to by the phrase 
  "cult of personality."  Image matters more than substance regarding the 
  popularity of many celebrities, or politicians.  Obama has been 
  demeaned by calling him a celebrity, with a political attack add from the 
  McCain camp featuring Paris Hilton, while it appears that Palin is more an 
  expression of celebrity fever, given the substance behind her hyped 
  image.  Politicians are marketed to the public by sophisticated Madison 
  Avenue advertising tactics, and the image projected by the candidate is what 
  sells the product.

  Can you imagine Palin as editor of the Harvard Law Review, graduating 
  magna cum laude, then later teaching law at the University of Chicago law 
  school?  Obama has more intellectual substance than Palin ever will, but 
  similar to W. Bush, her image appeals to many, while Obama's intellectual 
  accomplishments are sometimes viewed with disdain, by many who think of him as 
  a liberal academic elitist, who looks down on people.  

  One political analyst commented that there were three main aspects of W. 
  Bush's image that had appeal for voters: cowboy machoism, 
  evangelical fundamentalist Christianity, and anti-intellectualism.  All 
  three of these qualities are part of Palin's image.  I think there is 
  little doubt that Palin was carefully chosen to appeal to NRA voters, 
  fundamentalist Christian voters, who were less attracted to McCain than to W. 
  Bush, and in this political cycle of disgruntled Hilary Clinton fans, who so 
  much wanted to see a woman in the White House, Clinton voters.  Polls 
  show about 20 percent of Clinton voters will vote for McCain/Palin, despite 
  the fact that Clinton and Palin are nearly political opposites.

  Palin has an engaging and attractive presence; a speaking style that 
  is direct, simple, with a tone that suggests she speaks for the average 
  working Jane or Joe.  Obama has to work at projecting this sort of 
  image.  I think sometimes it is a bit glaring that he is trying 
  to dumb down his thinking to appeal to a less educated public.  Palin and 
  McCain come across as more "authentic" to many voters than Obama does.

  And poor Joe Biden, who I think was chosen by the Obama camp in part 
  because be might appeal more to the average working class Jane 
  or Joe than Obama... Palin is overshadowing Biden in terms of sheer 
  volume of hyped up media coverage, with much of this media attention 
  amounting to free political advertising for the McCain/Palin ticket!

  Anyway, consider the list below that I pulled off the Internet (I 
  can't vouch for the accuracy of all the information) regarding more qualified 
  Republican women than Palin:
  -------------------------

  Republican women that are better qualified than 
  Sarah Palin. 1. Christie Todd Whitman (R-New Jersey)- Worked in the Nixon 
  administration. Served as President of the New Jersey Board of Public 
  Utilities in the cabinet of Gov. Thomas Kean. Former governor of New Jersey. 
  Former Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency. 2. Sen. Kay 
  Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas)- Served in the Texas House of Representatives. 
  Served as vice-chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board. Served as 
  Texas State Treasurer. Currently serving as Ranking Member of the U.S. Senate 
  Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. She also serves on the 
  Appropriations Committee, the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration, 
  and the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs. 
3. Sen. Olympia Snowe 
  (R-Maine)- Served as an aide to Senator William Cohen. Served in the Maine 
  House of Representatives and Senate and as a U.S. Representative. Currently 
  serves as Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and 
  Entrepreneurship. She also serves on the Senate Committee on Commerce, 
  Science, and Transportation, the Senate Committee on Finance, and the Senate 
  Select Committee on Intelligence. 
4. Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R-North 
  Carolina)- Worked in LBJ's administration. Served as Deputy Assistant to 
  President Nixon for Consumer Affairs before being appointed to the Federal 
  Trade Commission. Served as United States Secretary of Transportation in the 
  Reagan administration. Served as United States Secretary of Labor in the Poppy 
  Bush administration. Then served as President of the Red Cross. Ran for 
  president in 2000, and was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2002. She currently 
  serves on the Senate Special Committee on Aging, the Senate Committee on Armed 
  Services, Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, and the 
  Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship. She is the Ranking 
  Member on the Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and 
  Capabilities. 
5. Sen. Susan Collins (R- Maine)- Served as an aide to Sen. 
  William Cohen. Served as chair of the Maine commission on financial 
  regulation. Served as New England regional director of the National Small 
  Business Administration. Formerly the chair and currently the Ranking Member 
  on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs. Also 
  serves on the Senate Special Committee on Aging, and the Senate Committee on 
  Armed Services. 
6. Gov. Jodi Rell (R-Connecticut)- Served as a Connecticut 
  State Representative. Served as Lieutenant Governor. Has been serving as 
  Governor since 2004. 
7. Gov. Linda Lingle (R-Hawaii)- Served in Hawaii 
  House of Representatives. Has been serving as Governor since 2002. 
8. Rep. 
  Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Washington)- Served as a State Representative. 
  Currently serves on the House Committee on Armed Services and the House 
  Committee on Education and Labor, and the House Committee on Natural 
  Resources. She is Ranking Member of the Natural Resources Subcommittee on 
  Water and Power. 

------------------------

  Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett

  On 9/14/08, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> 
  wrote: 

  I'm 
    wondering why it is that people who know *far* less about 
    Palin's
qualifications and political history were so quick to hop on the 
    Palin train
while her close friends (they jokingly refer to themselves as 
    the "Elite
Six," which includes Palin) are still undecided?
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5755435

I 
    find that very curious -- *not* that Palin has intelligent friends 
    who
will decide how to vote based on the *issues,* but rather that so 
    many who
know far less about her political history were quickly willing 
    to decide
she's the best thing for this country since sliced 
    bread.

Of course, as more is learned about Palin's history, some of 
    those initially
swept up in the Palin wave are regretting their initial 
    haste -- a friend
who was initially thrilled with McCain's choice of 
    Palin forwarded me this
article with a note of regret about his premature 
    enthusiasm.  He doesn't
see how swapping one good ol' boy 
    network for another is what this country
needs:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
&th&emc=th
OR
http://tinyurl.com/5tq6t

"WASILLA, Alaska — Gov. 
    Sarah Palin lives by the maxim that all politics is
local, not to mention 
    personal.

So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State 
    Division of Agriculture,
she appointed a high school classmate, Franci 
    Havemeister, to the
$95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate 
    agent, Ms. Havemeister
cited her childhood love of cows as a 
    qualification for running the roughly
$2 million agency.

Ms. 
    Havemeister was one of at least five schoolmates Ms. Palin hired, 
    often
at salaries far exceeding their private sector 
    wages.

<snip>"

Note particularly the bipartisan 
    concerns.

Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing 
    necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
~ 
    Edmund Burke

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