[Vision2020] Curious
g. crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Tue Sep 16 05:31:52 PDT 2008
Matt, In many ways you're right but, it all boils down to this. You can vote for a ticket that's wrong half the time (R) or a ticket that's wrong all the time(D). In know it's better to be excited and vote FOR a candidate that you can get behind but when you are faced with this kind of painful reality you've got to man up, hold your nose and vote the man who will do the least damage. For me that's McCain.
g
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From: Matt Decker
To: keely emerinemix ; Ted Moffett ; Saundra Lund
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curious
Really? I think keely, Saundra, and Ted have the old realm on this topic. Our country, for the most part, couldn't name the capitol of Iraq. Our youth cares more about you is in the "in" then who could be a leader. An attractive VP, SURE. Reality is though both candidates are poop. We need another.
Obama has been in the spotlight for two years now. Yes hes done a fine job in Illinois, but is he really the answer? For you die hard democrats out there, what really has he done(without looking on the internet)? He has been the celebrity for a while now. Soon as Palin comes around though, the whole celebrity name calling comes out. Let me ask you this, Is he the Real answer of change?
What about Mccain? Another F*#@ing four years of Bush. Sure I hear your pain. Thats why I hoped to god that Hilliary didn't get in. Mccain has turned me off by his votes against the troops, along with others. Is John my vote? No. My vote matters little, it's all about the masses.
I believe that most are controlled by the media. TV hype. And who is the biggest, hippest dude on the block? It's the black Fonzie. The recent hype is Palin, but in true time, Barrack will be the celeb. Our youth as a whole doesn't know where our voting stands are located.
Give me a leader that has some umph and I will be in the lead pack. until then I will not cast my vote. Obama and Palin is not the answer to real change.
M
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From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
To: starbliss at gmail.com; sslund_2007 at verizon.net
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:39:12 -0700
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curious
I think Ted (and Saundra) have this nailed. As I've said before, and will no doubt say again, I believe that God allowed the election and re-election of George W. Bush as a judgment against this country, and we appear to be more than eager to fill up the remainder of censure against the direction we're going.
Keely
http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:55:24 -0700
From: starbliss at gmail.com
To: sslund_2007 at verizon.net
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curious
Palin is an example of the "curious" phenomenon referred to by the phrase "cult of personality." Image matters more than substance regarding the popularity of many celebrities, or politicians. Obama has been demeaned by calling him a celebrity, with a political attack add from the McCain camp featuring Paris Hilton, while it appears that Palin is more an expression of celebrity fever, given the substance behind her hyped image. Politicians are marketed to the public by sophisticated Madison Avenue advertising tactics, and the image projected by the candidate is what sells the product.
Can you imagine Palin as editor of the Harvard Law Review, graduating magna cum laude, then later teaching law at the University of Chicago law school? Obama has more intellectual substance than Palin ever will, but similar to W. Bush, her image appeals to many, while Obama's intellectual accomplishments are sometimes viewed with disdain, by many who think of him as a liberal academic elitist, who looks down on people.
One political analyst commented that there were three main aspects of W. Bush's image that had appeal for voters: cowboy machoism, evangelical fundamentalist Christianity, and anti-intellectualism. All three of these qualities are part of Palin's image. I think there is little doubt that Palin was carefully chosen to appeal to NRA voters, fundamentalist Christian voters, who were less attracted to McCain than to W. Bush, and in this political cycle of disgruntled Hilary Clinton fans, who so much wanted to see a woman in the White House, Clinton voters. Polls show about 20 percent of Clinton voters will vote for McCain/Palin, despite the fact that Clinton and Palin are nearly political opposites.
Palin has an engaging and attractive presence; a speaking style that is direct, simple, with a tone that suggests she speaks for the average working Jane or Joe. Obama has to work at projecting this sort of image. I think sometimes it is a bit glaring that he is trying to dumb down his thinking to appeal to a less educated public. Palin and McCain come across as more "authentic" to many voters than Obama does.
And poor Joe Biden, who I think was chosen by the Obama camp in part because be might appeal more to the average working class Jane or Joe than Obama... Palin is overshadowing Biden in terms of sheer volume of hyped up media coverage, with much of this media attention amounting to free political advertising for the McCain/Palin ticket!
Anyway, consider the list below that I pulled off the Internet (I can't vouch for the accuracy of all the information) regarding more qualified Republican women than Palin:
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Republican women that are better qualified than Sarah Palin. 1. Christie Todd Whitman (R-New Jersey)- Worked in the Nixon administration. Served as President of the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities in the cabinet of Gov. Thomas Kean. Former governor of New Jersey. Former Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency. 2. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas)- Served in the Texas House of Representatives. Served as vice-chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board. Served as Texas State Treasurer. Currently serving as Ranking Member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. She also serves on the Appropriations Committee, the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration, and the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs.
3. Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine)- Served as an aide to Senator William Cohen. Served in the Maine House of Representatives and Senate and as a U.S. Representative. Currently serves as Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship. She also serves on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, the Senate Committee on Finance, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
4. Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R-North Carolina)- Worked in LBJ's administration. Served as Deputy Assistant to President Nixon for Consumer Affairs before being appointed to the Federal Trade Commission. Served as United States Secretary of Transportation in the Reagan administration. Served as United States Secretary of Labor in the Poppy Bush administration. Then served as President of the Red Cross. Ran for president in 2000, and was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2002. She currently serves on the Senate Special Committee on Aging, the Senate Committee on Armed Services, Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, and the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship. She is the Ranking Member on the Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities.
5. Sen. Susan Collins (R- Maine)- Served as an aide to Sen. William Cohen. Served as chair of the Maine commission on financial regulation. Served as New England regional director of the National Small Business Administration. Formerly the chair and currently the Ranking Member on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs. Also serves on the Senate Special Committee on Aging, and the Senate Committee on Armed Services.
6. Gov. Jodi Rell (R-Connecticut)- Served as a Connecticut State Representative. Served as Lieutenant Governor. Has been serving as Governor since 2004.
7. Gov. Linda Lingle (R-Hawaii)- Served in Hawaii House of Representatives. Has been serving as Governor since 2002.
8. Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Washington)- Served as a State Representative. Currently serves on the House Committee on Armed Services and the House Committee on Education and Labor, and the House Committee on Natural Resources. She is Ranking Member of the Natural Resources Subcommittee on Water and Power.
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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
On 9/14/08, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:
I'm wondering why it is that people who know *far* less about Palin's
qualifications and political history were so quick to hop on the Palin train
while her close friends (they jokingly refer to themselves as the "Elite
Six," which includes Palin) are still undecided?
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5755435
I find that very curious -- *not* that Palin has intelligent friends who
will decide how to vote based on the *issues,* but rather that so many who
know far less about her political history were quickly willing to decide
she's the best thing for this country since sliced bread.
Of course, as more is learned about Palin's history, some of those initially
swept up in the Palin wave are regretting their initial haste -- a friend
who was initially thrilled with McCain's choice of Palin forwarded me this
article with a note of regret about his premature enthusiasm. He doesn't
see how swapping one good ol' boy network for another is what this country
needs:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
&th&emc=th
OR
http://tinyurl.com/5tq6t
"WASILLA, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin lives by the maxim that all politics is
local, not to mention personal.
So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture,
she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the
$95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister
cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly
$2 million agency.
Ms. Havemeister was one of at least five schoolmates Ms. Palin hired, often
at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages.
<snip>"
Note particularly the bipartisan concerns.
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
~ Edmund Burke
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