[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4
Loren Singh
loren.singh at gmail.com
Mon Sep 1 15:31:51 PDT 2008
g. crabtree wrote:
>>He will tax whatever prosperity our nation has right down the crapper and
will do all that's in his power to compromise our standing as number one
nation on the planet.<<
Your hero George W. Bush has already accomplished both of these doomsday
objectives without increasing our taxes.
Why--he even gave us economic stimulus checks! Let's amend the Constitution
and give him a third term. If his presidency of the last
8 years gave us prosperity and standing as number one nation on the planet,
surely we shouldn't rock the boat and jettison such
a fine state of affairs.
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> 1. Former Goldman Sachs Investment Banker John Talbot's
> "Obamanomics" (Ted Moffett)
> 2. Re: Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience (g. crabtree)
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> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:13:14 -0700
> From: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Former Goldman Sachs Investment Banker John
> Talbot's "Obamanomics"
> To: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> Review of "Obamanomics" at URL below:
>
> http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/feature/2008/07/29/obamanomics/index.html
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> "Obamanomics" author and investment banker John Talbot, who explicitly
> predicted the current housing/mortgage crisis in 2003 when he wrote "The
> Coming Crash In The Housing Market"
>
> http://www.amazon.ca/Coming-Crash-Housing-Market/dp/007142220X
>
> asserts that part of the reason for the housing crisis was a lack of
> sensible regulation (including the repeal of the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act in
> 1999):
>
> http://www.realpolitical.net/2008/06/obamanomics/
>
> Excerpt below from URL above:
>
> In chapter 3 of this book, "The Current Financial Crisis," he continues to
> explain what went wrong in that industry and in this entire credit and
> financial crisis happening now by saying that it had everything to do with
> so-called small government. Small government is consistently pushed as the
> better system by the GOP and they dismiss anything else by saying that
> government shouldn't control our lives. That's dismissive to the point of
> being inaccurate and totally misleading. From this book I learned how
> flawed
> that approach can be when it comes to something so essential to all of us
> like housing. Small government actually signifies lack of regulation, which
> flings wide open the door to greed and corruption, and unchecked greed and
> corruption, Talbot says, are exactly what caused the housing market to
> crash:
>
> ?due to lack of regulation, an entire industry of predatory lenders grew
> up.
> They were not interested in seeing home ownership increase in our nation.
> They were only interested in maximizing their profits, regardless of how
> unscrupulous their practices.
>
> The GOP wants us to actually believe in their trickle down theory ? that
> wealth in the hands of the *responsible few* will eventually be distributed
> evenly down to the masses. They make it taboo to say you support big
> government while their state and federal officials still push tax increases
> just like Democrats, but deliver far less to regular people who could
> benefit from social programs.
>
> In this book he argues that Obama believes in a bottom up theory, that
> wealth distributed among the masses results in an uplifted economy. He
> explains that regulation is simply the insurance we all have against the
> lawlessness of greed:
>
> It is regulation that insures contracts in a free economy are honored. It
> is
> regulation that allows the development of a sophisticated financial
> marketplace with sophisticated securities, and contracts that allow for the
> formation of corporations, the protection of investments, the providing of
> insurance, and the sharing of risk? No one is in favor of too much
> regulation. But this financial crisis should alert everyone to the fact
> that
> free markets cannot regulate themselves.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:21:10 -0700
> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience
> To: <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>,
> "Jeff
> Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> I believe that ego aside, no one is truly "ready" to be president. There is
> no school that prepares one to assume the mantle of leader of the free world
> and CEO of the worlds largest economy. I believe that the best I can do is
> look for the man with the best judgment whose views most closely match my
> own. A track record of some type doesn't hurt either. McCain has generally
> been good for promoting smaller government, reducing waste, a strong
> military, supporting the second amendment, and promoting life. He's far from
> perfect as McCain-Feingold, his stance on immigration,and his having fallen
> for the anthropogenic global warming scam has demonstrated. Palin seems to
> share his good points and, as near as I can tell, doesn't follow his folly.
>
> Barry hasn't much of a record for folks to base their decision on and what
> record he has is for an ever expanding government and wealth redistribution
> with no end in sight. Biden seems to think that the big O's world view is
> just ducky. Yes, he has more Washington inside the beltway experience than
> Palin but what good is that if you are consistently wrong on the majority of
> the issues?
>
> To me the larger risk is that should BHO/Biden be elected they will, like
> Bubba & Big Al, be soft on terrorism and neglect the military. He will
> appoint supreme court judges that can find the darnedest things when they
> read the constitution. He will tax whatever prosperity our nation has right
> down the crapper and will do all that's in his power to compromise our
> standing as number one nation on the planet.
>
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: Chasuk ; Jeff Harkins ; g. crabtree
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience
>
>
> Gary,
>
> If you wish to believe that Palin is ready to be president, that is
> your right and your vote to cast. But I think a vote for McCain/Palin is a
> bigger risk for the country than Obama/Biden.
>
> I think Obama is the best choice for this nation at this point in
> time, for various reasons.
>
> I will be voting Obama for President, and Republican most the way
> down the rest of the ballot.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Sun, 8/31/08, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> From: g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>,
> "Jeff Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:27 AM
>
>
> Careful, D. You are perilously close to joining Mathews and
> Olbermann in the damp panties and tingling extremities sycophants club. As
> to the matter of executive experience, your new deity, the Obaminator, has
> none. The sad fact is that the bottom of the GOP ticket has more chops then
> the top of the Democrat parties.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: Chasuk ; Jeff Harkins
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience
>
>
> Palin has zero foreign policy experience. She has no
> authority as a governor to conduct international treaties or regulate
> international commerce.
>
> Obama is not much more experienced than Palin. But Obama
> is a genius, has a JD degree from Harvard, and degree from Columbia. He is
> an expert on the constitution, international law, and has been able to do
> something that no other person has, politically defeat the Clintons in an
> election. Other countries love Obama, they have never even heard of Palin.
> Obama commands crowds ten times the size of the town Palin governed. How
> long someone has sat in a chair or held a position is not the skill set
> needed to be President. Leadership is the most important aspect of a
> President, and Obama has that in spades.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy
> Experience
> To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 10:29 PM
>
>
> Thanks! You have such a way with words and such respect for your
> neighbors. Perhaps you have spent entirely too much time in Warcraft.
>
> My mistake on your European heritage. From a correspondence a year
> or so ago, I had been led to believe that you transmigrated from
> Europe to US. You have made several references to how much you
> prefer Europe to the US. It does make me wonder, if you love the UK
> so much, why are you here?
>
>
>
> At 08:28 PM 8/30/2008, you wrote:
> >On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 20:09, Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Obviously better training than you, and common sense just comes as
> part of
> > > our kit - but then you are European, huh!
> >
> >I'm European? Since when? I'd better get my passport changed.
> >
> > > To my Canadian friends, the author of the original message does not
> > > represent the views of most Americans. We have absolute respect for
> your
> > > sovereignty, for your peaceful demeanor and for the opportunity to
> trade
> > > with you.
> >
> >I have great respect and affection for Canadians, I just don't have
> >any respect for your idiocy.
> >
> >Chas
>
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