<div dir="ltr">g. crabtree wrote:<br><br>>>He will tax whatever prosperity our nation has right down the crapper
and will do all that's in his power to compromise our standing as
number one nation on the planet.<<<br><br>Your hero George W. Bush has already accomplished both of these doomsday objectives without increasing our taxes. <br>Why--he even gave us economic stimulus checks! Let's amend the Constitution and give him a third term. If his presidency of the last <br>
8 years gave us prosperity and standing as number one nation on the planet, surely we shouldn't rock the boat and jettison such <br>a fine state of affairs.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:21 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Former Goldman Sachs Investment Banker John Talbot's<br>
"Obamanomics" (Ted Moffett)<br>
2. Re: Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience (g. crabtree)<br>
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:13:14 -0700<br>
From: "Ted Moffett" <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Vision2020] Former Goldman Sachs Investment Banker John<br>
Talbot's "Obamanomics"<br>
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Review of "Obamanomics" at URL below:<br>
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<a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/feature/2008/07/29/obamanomics/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/feature/2008/07/29/obamanomics/index.html</a><br>
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"Obamanomics" author and investment banker John Talbot, who explicitly<br>
predicted the current housing/mortgage crisis in 2003 when he wrote "The<br>
Coming Crash In The Housing Market"<br>
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<a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Coming-Crash-Housing-Market/dp/007142220X" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.ca/Coming-Crash-Housing-Market/dp/007142220X</a><br>
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asserts that part of the reason for the housing crisis was a lack of<br>
sensible regulation (including the repeal of the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act in<br>
1999):<br>
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<a href="http://www.realpolitical.net/2008/06/obamanomics/" target="_blank">http://www.realpolitical.net/2008/06/obamanomics/</a><br>
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Excerpt below from URL above:<br>
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In chapter 3 of this book, "The Current Financial Crisis," he continues to<br>
explain what went wrong in that industry and in this entire credit and<br>
financial crisis happening now by saying that it had everything to do with<br>
so-called small government. Small government is consistently pushed as the<br>
better system by the GOP and they dismiss anything else by saying that<br>
government shouldn't control our lives. That's dismissive to the point of<br>
being inaccurate and totally misleading. From this book I learned how flawed<br>
that approach can be when it comes to something so essential to all of us<br>
like housing. Small government actually signifies lack of regulation, which<br>
flings wide open the door to greed and corruption, and unchecked greed and<br>
corruption, Talbot says, are exactly what caused the housing market to<br>
crash:<br>
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?due to lack of regulation, an entire industry of predatory lenders grew up.<br>
They were not interested in seeing home ownership increase in our nation.<br>
They were only interested in maximizing their profits, regardless of how<br>
unscrupulous their practices.<br>
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The GOP wants us to actually believe in their trickle down theory ? that<br>
wealth in the hands of the *responsible few* will eventually be distributed<br>
evenly down to the masses. They make it taboo to say you support big<br>
government while their state and federal officials still push tax increases<br>
just like Democrats, but deliver far less to regular people who could<br>
benefit from social programs.<br>
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In this book he argues that Obama believes in a bottom up theory, that<br>
wealth distributed among the masses results in an uplifted economy. He<br>
explains that regulation is simply the insurance we all have against the<br>
lawlessness of greed:<br>
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It is regulation that insures contracts in a free economy are honored. It is<br>
regulation that allows the development of a sophisticated financial<br>
marketplace with sophisticated securities, and contracts that allow for the<br>
formation of corporations, the protection of investments, the providing of<br>
insurance, and the sharing of risk? No one is in favor of too much<br>
regulation. But this financial crisis should alert everyone to the fact that<br>
free markets cannot regulate themselves.<br>
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:21:10 -0700<br>
From: "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>, "Chasuk" <<a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com">chasuk@gmail.com</a>>, "Jeff<br>
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I believe that ego aside, no one is truly "ready" to be president. There is no school that prepares one to assume the mantle of leader of the free world and CEO of the worlds largest economy. I believe that the best I can do is look for the man with the best judgment whose views most closely match my own. A track record of some type doesn't hurt either. McCain has generally been good for promoting smaller government, reducing waste, a strong military, supporting the second amendment, and promoting life. He's far from perfect as McCain-Feingold, his stance on immigration,and his having fallen for the anthropogenic global warming scam has demonstrated. Palin seems to share his good points and, as near as I can tell, doesn't follow his folly.<br>
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Barry hasn't much of a record for folks to base their decision on and what record he has is for an ever expanding government and wealth redistribution with no end in sight. Biden seems to think that the big O's world view is just ducky. Yes, he has more Washington inside the beltway experience than Palin but what good is that if you are consistently wrong on the majority of the issues?<br>
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To me the larger risk is that should BHO/Biden be elected they will, like Bubba & Big Al, be soft on terrorism and neglect the military. He will appoint supreme court judges that can find the darnedest things when they read the constitution. He will tax whatever prosperity our nation has right down the crapper and will do all that's in his power to compromise our standing as number one nation on the planet.<br>
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g<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: Donovan Arnold<br>
To: Chasuk ; Jeff Harkins ; g. crabtree<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:06 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience<br>
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Gary,<br>
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If you wish to believe that Palin is ready to be president, that is your right and your vote to cast. But I think a vote for McCain/Palin is a bigger risk for the country than Obama/Biden.<br>
<br>
I think Obama is the best choice for this nation at this point in time, for various reasons.<br>
<br>
I will be voting Obama for President, and Republican most the way down the rest of the ballot.<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Donovan<br>
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--- On Sun, 8/31/08, g. crabtree <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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From: g. crabtree <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience<br>
To: <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>, "Chasuk" <<a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com">chasuk@gmail.com</a>>, "Jeff Harkins" <<a href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">jeffh@moscow.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:27 AM<br>
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Careful, D. You are perilously close to joining Mathews and Olbermann in the damp panties and tingling extremities sycophants club. As to the matter of executive experience, your new deity, the Obaminator, has none. The sad fact is that the bottom of the GOP ticket has more chops then the top of the Democrat parties.<br>
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g<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: Donovan Arnold<br>
To: Chasuk ; Jeff Harkins<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:44 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience<br>
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Palin has zero foreign policy experience. She has no authority as a governor to conduct international treaties or regulate international commerce.<br>
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Obama is not much more experienced than Palin. But Obama is a genius, has a JD degree from Harvard, and degree from Columbia. He is an expert on the constitution, international law, and has been able to do something that no other person has, politically defeat the Clintons in an election. Other countries love Obama, they have never even heard of Palin. Obama commands crowds ten times the size of the town Palin governed. How long someone has sat in a chair or held a position is not the skill set needed to be President. Leadership is the most important aspect of a President, and Obama has that in spades.<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Donovan<br>
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--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Jeff Harkins <<a href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">jeffh@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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From: Jeff Harkins <<a href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">jeffh@moscow.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience<br>
To: "Chasuk" <<a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com">chasuk@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 10:29 PM<br>
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Thanks! You have such a way with words and such respect for your<br>
neighbors. Perhaps you have spent entirely too much time in Warcraft.<br>
<br>
My mistake on your European heritage. From a correspondence a year<br>
or so ago, I had been led to believe that you transmigrated from<br>
Europe to US. You have made several references to how much you<br>
prefer Europe to the US. It does make me wonder, if you love the UK<br>
so much, why are you here?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
At 08:28 PM 8/30/2008, you wrote:<br>
>On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 20:09, Jeff Harkins <<a href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">jeffh@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Obviously better training than you, and common sense just comes as<br>
part of<br>
> > our kit - but then you are European, huh!<br>
><br>
>I'm European? Since when? I'd better get my passport changed.<br>
><br>
> > To my Canadian friends, the author of the original message does not<br>
> > represent the views of most Americans. We have absolute respect for<br>
your<br>
> > sovereignty, for your peaceful demeanor and for the opportunity to<br>
trade<br>
> > with you.<br>
><br>
>I have great respect and affection for Canadians, I just don't have<br>
>any respect for your idiocy.<br>
><br>
>Chas<br>
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