[Vision2020] If the shoe was on the other foot (was A Plea to Saundra Lund)

[Sunil Ramalingam]

Glenns,

I thought up 'hogwash' all by myself.  It wasn't the first thing that came to my mind; that was 'What a load of crap,' which was far wordier.

I think this just isn't an issue at all, which is why I haven't gone on about McCain's support of terrorists in Nicaragua.  I find his current-day horrendous judgment issue enough.  He's the one who supported the war in Iraq before it got started, supported the way it was waged the first few years, wants to go bomb Iran.  I don't have to go looking at his real-life-terrorists-at-the-time-he-supported-them friends to find an issue.  

You talk about 'lazy, unmotivated slugs?'  Maybe that's what you think about poor people without health care.  I've met a few of them, and I'm not a callous-enough bastard to adopt your language.  Have at it and keep it.  

Sunil



> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:45:49 -0700
> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] If the shoe was on the other foot (was A Plea to	Saundra Lund)
> 
> Well Sunil, it looks like you've learned another word from Mr Hansen.
> And which scenario is "hogwash"?  Bush or McCain's association with
> homegrown terrorists??  I'll agree with you there - hogwash.
> 
> Your screaming "foul" if such an association were to be "uncovererd"?
> Not hogwash - I can think of a dozen on this listserv who would be
> leading the pack.
> 
> Or the losing of "civil liberties"?  It's already in the making -
> "redistribution of the wealth" without consent - seems to me my
> involuntary giving of $$ to lazy, unmotivated slugs is a slight on my
> liberties.  Being forced to provide some government-mandated health
> care plan not of my choosing to my employees?  Smacks of a loss of
> freedom to me.  Having to accept that health care plan or nothing?
> Huh.  No "choice" there.  A mandate to give up my $$ to provide a
> college education to someone I don't know (apart from the GI Bill
> which I gladly support)?  Hmmm . . .  more loss of choice to me.  I
> say let them earn their way through as Dr Joe and I did and let ME
> decide who to give MY $$ to.
> 
> Yep - real hogwash there my friend.
> 
> GS
> 
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Sunil Ramalingam
> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Glenn,
> >
> > Since your scenario is hogwash, I'm certain I won't have to say "So What?"
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:42:22 -0700
> >> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: [Vision2020] If the shoe was on the other foot (was A Plea to
> >> Saundra Lund)
> >>
> >> I have no doubt that if it was shown President Bush or Senator McCain
> >> had any kind of connection whatsoever to Mark Rudd, John Jacobs, Bill
> >> Ayers, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins,
> >> Karen Ashley, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, Steve Tappis, Mark Rudd or David
> >> Gilbert you people would be screaming impeach impeach impeach,
> >> invalidate, invalidate, invalidate as loudly as your collective voices
> >> would allow.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the "youthful indiscretions" of Ayers, Dohrn, Thomas Good,
> >> Carl Davidson, Mike Klonsky et al. could be forgiven and forgotten as
> >> just that if they were to offer even a modicum of repentance and
> >> regret for their past behaviors. Unfortunately, their current stand
> >> is "the only thing we regret we didn't do more then, and we'd love to
> >> do more now". So yes Mr Rumelhart, I believe there is quite a bit to
> >> fear, and my greatest fears are that when more-likely-than-not
> >> President Obama begins to tear this country apart it's going to make
> >> the loss of "civil liberties" under the Bush administration look like
> >> chump change, and those who proudly put Obama there will say exactly
> >> what they say now: "So what".
> >>
> >> GS
> >>
> >
> >
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