[Vision2020] A Plea to Saundra Lund

Mon Oct 27 11:24:37 PDT 2008

Paul
Forget the 8 years old malarkey. The point is, his associate with him when he was an adult.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:05:28 -0700
To: No Weatherman no.weatherman at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Saundra Lund

> So what is your thesis, here?  That Barack Obama is a closet domestic 
> terrorist?  That he wants to take down the government from the top 
> down?  That he wants to open our defenses and invite the terrorists in 
> to trash our country as they please?  I don't get what the implications 
> are of Obama knowing someone else who was a "domestic terrorist" when 
> Obama was eight years old.
> 
> What's the actual point you're trying to make?
> 
> Paul
> 
> No Weatherman wrote:
> > Ms. Lund:
> >
> > I made it clear from the beginning that I had only one objective in
> > this exercise — to force the question of Barack Obama's long-standing
> > personal and professional relationship with domestic terrorists.
> >
> > Joe Campbell accused my of making a "guilt by association" argument
> > while he pronounced me "guilty by association" because of his
> > delusional perception that I belong to a local church. He called me a
> > "neo-Nazi" even though I have decried anti-Semitism with every other
> > post or so.
> >
> > My objective changed early on when the name calling began in concert
> > with the continued gang banging of Gov Palin. Now I consider myself
> > balance to your catty, shrill, dishonest, disingenuous, and
> > discombobulated and hormonally imbalanced posts as well as Mr.
> > Hansen's and Dr. Gier's.
> >
> > You now claim that you object to the "***quantity***" of my posts. But
> > this was not the case last month when you wrote this literary
> > masterpiece:
> >
> > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-October/057066.html
> >
> > Let's see, you called me a "monster," a "racist monster . . . puffed
> > with pathetic notions of grandiosity." You called me a "troll," a
> > "piece of moral slime properly to be shunned by all decent people."
> > You declared that shunning me was a religious duty of yours lest you
> > be "bad Samaritans" who add to my "hate-mongering propensities."
> >
> > Funny, though, you never mentioned the "***quantity***" of my posts.
> >
> > Personally, I think you're unhinged by Palin envy though I would not
> > begin to speculate why.
> >
> > They say that friends don't let friends drive drunk. You seem to me to
> > be inebriated by hate for Palin. If I was your friend I'd pull you off
> > the road ASAP before you end up hurting yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >   
> >> Roger,
> >>
> >> I think you're completely wrong on this.  I think what Tom and many, many,
> >> many other forum members really object to is the ***quantity*** of the
> >> troll's posts.  The anonymous coward made it clear from the beginning that
> >> he wasn't interested in honest dialogue or debate but rather in simply
> >> hurling invective and insulting those who disagree with him.  When someone
> >> pointed out to him that the convention in the V2020 living room was to try
> >> to limit posts to 2-3 per day, he said he'd post as much as he wanted.  And,
> >> he's proceeded to do so:  just in October, he's posted OVER THREE HUNDRED
> >> TIMES.  Get a clue:  he's nothing more than a cowardly rude troll with an
> >> agenda to disrupt and destroy this forum with his invective.
> >>
> >> While I refuse to interact with nameless cowards, I also refuse to allow
> >> this troll to turn this COMMUNITY forum into his own one-sided playground.
> >> Only when it became undeniable that the troll has absolutely no respect for
> >> the way the V2020 community works did I start standing up to the bully by
> >> posting news from the other side, and even then, my "count" is still way
> >> under a hundred for this month -- and barely over a daily average of three
> >> posts per day.  And, I'll add that I've received more than a few offlist
> >> responses from folks all along the political spectrum thanking me for the
> >> articles I've been posting in response to the troll's firestorm.
> >>
> >> I see your subsequent post where you suggest that people apply Donovan's
> >> (joking or not) suggestion about dealing with the troll's record posting
> >> frequency by doing the same to me.  Shame on you, Roger -- you've been
> >> around here long enough to know that I am a genuine participant who has
> >> posted according to our "on our honor" posting guidelines for years now.
> >>
> >> I do find it telling that you once again come out in defense of those with
> >> whom you agree while ignoring their multitude transgressions and insults
> >> against those with whom you disagree.
> >>
> >> So, what -- if any -- suggestions do you have to deal with trolls like the
> >> one trick pony No Weatherman's attempts to take over this forum for his own
> >> anti-Obama agenda by posting OVER THREE HUNDRED TIMES in fewer than 20 days?
> >> He's drowning out legitimate conversation and driving away list members and
> >> their participation in this COMMUNITY forum, which is indisputably one of
> >> his goals.
> >>
> >> Yes, you're completely wrong Roger -- those of us who object to the cowardly
> >> anonymous troll's attempt to take over this forum would be just as
> >> frustrated by the volume regardless of the topic or political direction.
> >>
> >>
> >> Saundra Lund
> >> Moscow, ID
> >>
> >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> >> nothing.
> >> ~ Edmund Burke
> >>
> >> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus
> >> 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
> >> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
> >> author.*****
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >> On Behalf Of lfalen
> >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:09 AM
> >> To: No Weatherman; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Visionaires
> >>
> >> Tom apparently only wants left wing views to be aired. Anything else is
> >> racist and profane. I would like Ton to demonstrate where No Wheathermans
> >> posts have been any more objectionable than  some of his. I submit that they
> >> are objectionable and profane because he disagrees with  the veiws
> >> expressed. No Wheatherman seems to me to do a petty good job of
> >> documentation when listing facts. Everyone have the right to an
> >> opinion(within reason) without documentation as long as it not presented as
> >> fact.
> >> Roger
> >>
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