[Vision2020] Achtung!

[Paul Rumelhart]

I know about his position on gun control, which I'm not happy with 
either, but what has he done or what does he propose to do that 
conflicts with the fifth, ninth, and tenth amendments?  Does your tenth 
amendment concern have to do with abortion rights?  What other rights as 
laid out by the ninth amendment do you think he plans to contradict?  
Which aspect of the fifth amendment does he have issue with?  Trial by 
Grand Jury?  Double jeopardy?  Self-incrimination?  Due process?  
Eminent domain?  How many of those rights does McCain plan to give to 
those currently held in Gitmo?

The source I've been using for the "goddamned piece of paper" quote is 
this:  http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

I suppose it's possible that the "fourth White House employee" lied to 
the "three West Wing sources" quoted in the article.  However, when you 
look at George W. Bush's actions, I'd say it's a fair claim to make in a 
rhetorical sense, even if it wasn't spoken out loud (not that I think it 
wasn't - just giving it the benefit of the doubt).  Start with the 
Patriot Act, add in a little torture, some rendition, and some illegal 
wiretapping, and it just goes downhill from there.

Paul

g. crabtree wrote:
> "...he's an intelligent guy who doesn't think the Constitution is just 
> a "goddamned piece of paper"
>
> Respectfully, it's questionable whether GWB ever made that comment and 
> it's certain that JSM didn't.
>
> With regard to the obamanator, it's the Bill of Rights that he seems 
> to think were recorded on Kleenex, most notably the second, fifth, 
> ninth, and tenth amendments.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Rumelhart" 
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> To: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Achtung!
>   nin
>
> You are a troll.  You're actually trying to link Obama's campaign to
> Nazi Germany.  Now I can sleep easier, knowing you're not for real.
>
> I can tell you one thing, I'm not supporting Obama because of his "cult
> of personality", but because he's less like our current President than
> the other major candidate.  The fact that's he's an intelligent guy who
> doesn't think the Constitution is just a "goddamned piece of paper" is
> icing on the cake.
>
> Paul
>
> No Weatherman wrote:
>> Creating political cult figures is not without its problems.
>>
>> Consider, for example, the Obama salute's creepy predecessor:
>>
>> http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/the_obama_salutes_creepy_prede.html 
>>
>>
>> The last century saw enough personality cults that we don't need any
>> more and it's not likely that anyone can add a new wrinkle to the
>> deification of man.
>>
>> But when your candidate does not have a legitimate record and his
>> background is steeped radicalism — the cult of personality is your
>> only option because if you tell the people the truth, they will not
>> vote for you.
>>
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