[Vision2020] responding to No Weatherman

[No Weatherman]

Ms. Bafus:

Joe made the same mistake as you.

If you cannot separate the merits of an argument from the person
making the argument you commit the ad hominem fallacy, or "at man."

It's an evasive tactic designed to ignore the point.

For example, Ms. Mix has consistently called me names but she has
seldom, if ever, addressed one of my points.

Classic ad hom.

Bill London made a number of ad homs in his post but not once did he
even try to respond to any post or point of mine.

Classic ad hom.

The founding fathers of our republic used pseudonyms in their debates
for precisely this reason. It removed the person making the argument
from the argument itself which forced the person replying to the
argument to answer it instead of resorting to name calling:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pseudonyms_used_in_the_American_constitutional_debates

I'm living the American way as much as it offends some of you.

And if Joe were here he would agree.


On 10/14/08, Bev Bafus <bevbafus at verizon.net> wrote:
> Thank you Bill.  I cannot believe the number of people who are arguing with
>  this anonymous person.  If someone doesn't have the guts to sign their name,
>  they cannot be taken seriously.
>
>  Bev
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>  [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of Bill London
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:54 AM
>  To: No Weatherman
>  Cc: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
>  Subject: [Vision2020] responding to No Weatherman
>
>
>  No Weatherman:
>  Until today, I have not responded to your posts for several reasons:
>  1. you do not have the integrity to sign your opinions
>  2. you stretch and mangle the truth to suit your perspectives
>  3. your tone and message is strident, mean-spirited, angry, and offensive
>
>  However, I am going to respond this one time -- just to gloat.
>  The joke, you see, is all on you.  The more you sputter and bellow, the
>  worse it gets for you.
>  The national numbers clearly show this is happening in all parts of this
>  country -- Americans are finally awakening to the reality of your kind of
>  divisive rhetoric.
>  The more the Republican spin-meisters try to compare a single sixty-year old
>  professor of education with a horde of bomb-throwing Islamic warriors the
>  worse it gets for the Republicans.  More and more voters are turned off by
>  what they (correctly) perceive as the  desperation of the Republican
>  true-believers.
>  One reason is that Americans are getting tired of this empty anger, and
>  another reason is that Obama has been masterful at reframing the issue.
>
>  So, continue if you wish, I'll be laughing as you dig your hole deeper.
>  BL
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>
>  To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:50 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Election Fraud
>
>
>  > Chas:
>  >
>  > Dave absolutely made an argument and he premised it on the law — "they
>  > have to turn in fraudulent ballots, it's the law!"
>  >
>  > However, his premise neglected to consider that tiny little fact that
>  > ACORN broke the law when they committed felonies by knowingly
>  > registering dead people to vote with the intent to turn in those
>  > fraudulent registrations because according to them the law requires
>  > them to.
>  >
>  > You can't have it both ways.
>  >
>  >
>  > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:19, No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com>
>  >> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> You're arguing that once ACORN commits fraud by registering dead
>  >>> voters, they have a legal obligation to submit those fraudulent
>  >>> registrations to the state.
>  >>
>  >> Dave wasn't arguing anything.  He was stating a matter of law, which
>  >> you didn't refute, but twisted into an "argument," solely for the
>  >> purpose of making an ad hominem accusation.
>  >>
>  >
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