[Vision2020] Palin Heightens Rhetoric on Abortion

Sun Oct 12 10:24:45 PDT 2008

Ms. Mix:

As usual, you're the one playing word games.

I call it "a witness," you call it "a constant reminder of the horror
of the attack" which is euphemism for "witness" or "testimony."

Please set aside the hysterics to make room for some honesty.

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 9:58 AM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> That's a clever, but heartless, reply.
>
> To the woman raped, the rapist's child within her is not a witness so much
> as a constant reminder of the horror of her attack.  To suggest that she
> bear and birth the "witness" to the crime against her -- a crime no man will
> ever fully understand -- is heartless rhetoric, designed to look like
> justice without any of the compassion true justice involves.  Unless No W is
> truly inclined to DNA-test the fetus in the prosecution of a rape case, and
> I suspect we know he's not, what he's suggesting by his clever words here is
> nothing more than a call for someone to endure a horror a person of  his
> gender perpetrated, but, like No W, will never experience.
>
> That's not justice.  That's just wordplay.
>
> Keely
> http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:48:48 -0800
>> From: no.weatherman at gmail.com
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin Heightens Rhetoric on Abortion
>>
>> So if I understand you correctly, Mr. Hansen, you would rather kill
>> the witness to a crime than protect it.
>>
>> Is this correct?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> > Sarah Palin, who would make it illegal for your raped 13 year old
>> > daughter
>> > to terminate her pregnancy, is calling out Obama for his "extreme views
>> > on
>> > abortion".
>> >
>> > >From CNN at:
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/3jj3h8
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Palin Heightens Rhetoric on Abortion
>> > Story Highlights
>> > Sarah Palin, Barack Obama both campaign Saturday in Pennsylvania
>> >
>> > Palin hammers Obama on the abortion issue in Johnstown
>> >
>> > Obama acknowledges McCain's efforts to "tone down the rhetoric"
>> >
>> > JOHNSTOWN, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin charged into
>> > the
>> > culture wars Saturday in Pennsylvania, painting Sen. Barack Obama as a
>> > radical on abortion rights.
>> >
>> > The stop comes amid news that Palin violated Alaska ethics law by trying
>> > to get her former brother-in-law fired from the state police, a state
>> > investigator's report for the bipartisan Legislative Council concluded
>> > Friday.
>> >
>> > Ethics woes aside, Palin focused her attention on abortion -- an issue
>> > that rallies the conservative base but some say alienates independent
>> > and
>> > women voters.
>> >
>> > "In times like these with wars and financial crisis, I know that it may
>> > be
>> > easy to forget even as deep and abiding a concern as the right to life,
>> > and it seems that our opponent kind of hopes you will forget that,"
>> > Palin
>> > told a crowd in Johnstown. "He hopes that you won't notice how radical,
>> > absolutely radical his idea is on this, and his record is, until it's
>> > too
>> > late."
>> >
>> > Palin has mostly avoided raising her opposition to abortion rights on
>> > the
>> > campaign trail since she was tapped as Sen. John McCain's running mate,
>> > a
>> > fact she readily acknowledged in her remarks. Watch more of Palin's
>> > views
>> > on abortion »
>> >
>> > But Palin said Obama's record on the matter is too extreme to be
>> > ignored,
>> > and she spent 10 minutes of her 30-minute speech discussing abortion.
>> >
>> > "A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for activist courts that will
>> > continue
>> > to smother the open and democratic debate that we deserve and that we
>> > need
>> > on this issue of life," she said. "Obama is a politician who has long
>> > since left behind even the middle ground on the issue of life."
>> >
>> > Obama opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme
>> > Court's
>> > decision in Roe v. Wade and disagreed with Supreme Court ruling to
>> > uphold
>> > the "Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act." He did not cast a vote on
>> > Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions amendment in 2007.
>> >
>> > Palin opposes abortion in all cases, including rape and incest, except
>> > when a mother's life is in danger, and said she believes Roe v. Wade
>> > should be overturned and the decision given to the states.
>> >
>> > McCain voted for the Prohibit Partial Birth Abortion bill in 2003
>> > and "yes" for Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions
>> > amendment in 2007. He believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that
>> > must
>> > be overturned, and also supports the Supreme Court ruling upholding the
>> > Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act.
>> >
>> > Palin also talked about a remark Obama made about sex education while
>> > campaigning in Johnstown in March, when he told a voter he didn't want
>> > his
>> > daughters "punished with a baby" or "punished with an STD" if they were
>> > not educated about sex and made a mistake.
>> >
>> > "So I listened when our opponent defended his unconditional support for
>> > unlimited abortions and he said he said that a woman shouldn't have to
>> > be 'Punished with a baby,' " Palin said as the audience jeered at
>> > Obama. "Ladies and gentlemen, he said that right here in
>> > Johnstown. 'Punished with a baby.' It's about time we called him on it."
>> >
>> > Obama is also in Pennsylvania Saturday -- campaigning in the heavily
>> > Democratic city of Philadelphia.
>> >
>> > During his four-stop swing around the city, Obama acknowledged McCain's
>> > efforts to "tone down the rhetoric" on the campaign trail.
>> >
>> > "I appreciated his reminder that we can disagree while still being
>> > respectful of each other. I've said it before, and I'll say it again --
>> > Sen. McCain has served this country with honor, and he deserves our
>> > thanks
>> > for that," Obama told an early morning crowd assembled in the northern
>> > part of the city. Watch more of Obama's comments »
>> >
>> > Ever since last weekend, when Palin first accused Obama of "palling
>> > around
>> > with a terrorist," referring to 1960s radical William Ayers, rowdy
>> > crowds
>> > have called Obama a liar, terrorist and worse.
>> >
>> > At an event Friday in Lakeville, Minnesota, McCain referred to Obama as
>> > a "decent person" and praised him as a "family man" after two voters
>> > expressed fear over Obama being elected. Watch McCain tell voters not to
>> > be afraid of Obama »
>> >
>> > But the Arizona senator was met by a sea of boos when asking the crowd
>> > to
>> > be more respectful toward Obama.
>> >
>> > When the crowd began to boo, McCain told them "No, no. I want everyone
>> > to
>> > be respectful."
>> >
>> > Obama later dispensed with polite talk and pivoted to his main campaign
>> > trail argument that McCain is out of touch on the economy.
>> >
>> > "Sen. McCain's campaign manager actually said that Sen. McCain wasn't
>> > talking about the market because there's just not much a candidate for
>> > president can say -- and they aren't sure what he'd say each day even if
>> > he did talk about it," Obama said.
>> >
>> > "But here's the thing Philadelphia. They can run misleading ads, and
>> > pursue the politics of anything goes, they can try to change the
>> > subject.
>> > They can do that what they want to do because the American people
>> > understand what's going on -- but it's not going to work. Not this
>> > time."
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >
>> > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
>> > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>> >
>> > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>> >
>> >
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