[Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma

[Donovan Arnold]

Hansen,
 
You love spinning any comment you disagree with to incorrectly appear as a broad attack on "men and women in uniform" don't you? How sad and demeaning to veterans I service everyday. 
 
I only judge McCain's service because he put it out there to be judged and as proof that he is fit to be President.
 
So I openly look at it. It is honorable that McCain was willing and able to serve his country. It was honorable that he risked his life for this country. It was honorable that he gave up his place in line to be released early as a POW. He was brave for what he did. If it were not for that bravery, this country would not exist as it does now. 
 
However, you also have to look at the rest of his record. He bombed people, volunteered. He wasn't forced. And he didn't do it for the protection or honor of the country. He did it because he was a blood thirsty hotshot fighter pilot. 
 
The his entire record was not honorable. 
 
Just because John McCain suffered honorably as a POW, doesn't take away the suffering that he caused others by his actions. 
 
No, I don't blame Vietnam solders for policies and decisions made by their government, as you ignorantly try to proclaim. They were doing what they thought was right at the time and serving their country. But, if they want to use dropping napalm on children as a qualification for being president or evidence of good judgment, or holding any elected office for that matter, I am going to disagree with it and say so. 
 
If you think that is being dishonorable to soldiers, that can only be because you are ignorant of the argument, and are more apt to have stupid knee jerk responses to everything, like support the Iraqi War from the beginning and attack good men like General Wesley Clark who goes against the top brass in Washington. 
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan
 
 
 


--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>, "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>, "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>, "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:40 AM

Arnold -

When you criticised LTCDR (now Senator) John McCain for what you 
considered to be heinous crimes (bombing villages) on his part, you were 
NOT being a "critical thinker about their [his] country".  You
attacked 
John McCain for doing nothing more than serving his country.

You are free to criticise our government all you want, but NOT the men and 
women in uniform.

Do you EFFING understand?

Skip that.  This thread is finished.

Seeya round twon, Moscow,

Tom "Mr. Uniform Wearer (Retired)" Hansen
Moscow, Idaho


> I see, Hansen. So in order to be able to be a critical thinker about the
ac> tions of their country, they must have dawned a military uniform, like
Ge> orge Bush? Gee, does this mean I cannot see the Iraqi war was a 
disaster,
t> oo? As I recall, Mr. Uniform wearer, it obviously didn't help you in
opposi> ng the war in 2003. 
>  
> By definition, this is extremely prejudice thinking on your part. But not
u> nlike the illogical and uncritical thinking trash contained in your
oth> er 15 daily spammed posts to the V.
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Donovan
>  
>  
> 
> --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Chasuk"
<chasuk at gmail.com>, "No
Weatherm> an" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>, "lfalen"
<lfalen at turbonet.com>,
"Vision2020">  <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Tom
Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 7:02 PM
> 
> He was serving his country, Arnold.
> 
> And . . . No I don't care to continue this topic withi somebody who
never>  
> served a day in uniform, yet finds it appropriate to criticise those who 
> do.
> 
> Enough!.
> 
> Hansen
> 
> 
> 
> > OK Hansen,
> >  
> > What was John McCain doing before Oct. 26, 1967?
> >   
> > Best Regards,
> >  
> > Donovan
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> > 
> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Chasuk"
> <chasuk at gmail.com>, "No
> Weatherm> an" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>, "lfalen"
> <lfalen at turbonet.com>,
> "Vision2020">  <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 6:49 PM
> > 
> > Arnold stated:
> > 
> > "I don't think so. What was John McCain doing in 1968?
Wasn't
> he
> > bombing 
> > villages?"
> > 
> > EFF you, Arnold!
> > 
> > John McCain, as much as I dislike his political tactics and policies,
> was>  
> > shot down in Vietnam on October 26, 1967 and spent the next 66 months

in
> a>  
> > series of North Vietnam POW camps.
> > 
> > You tell me, Arnold.  Where do you think Senator McCain was in 1968.
> > 
> > JEESH!!
> > 
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> > 
> > 
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"Jesus was a community organizer and Poncius Pilate was a governor."

- Marilyn Trail, sister of Representative Tom trail (September 8, 2008)

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"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
college 
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)


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