[Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma

[No Weatherman]

Dr. Campbell,

I've had several off-list exchanges with persons who accused me of
insulting contributors to this list and each time I receive one of
these emails I ask the correspondent to produce one example of me
insulting anyone, including Barrack Hussein Obama. Each time they have
failed to produce one example.

The same thing happened when I asked you to show me where I wrote the
things you accused me of writing and when Ms. Lund said that I stated
Mr. Obama is not a US citizen. All of these things are figments of
your imagination that you have projected on me for reasons I can only
speculate.

Given these facts, I could produce a long list of emails posted to
this public forum where the author has personally insulted me —
including you.




On 10/2/08, joekc at roadrunner.com <joekc at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> I have supported J. Ford for personal reasons. But as has been pointed out. Other than that I'm
>  not sure what you're talking about. But since you seem to have all of my posts saved and
>  categorized -- or one of your friends does -- no doubt you'll bring one up if I'm mistaken!
>
>  I am not reading Dr. No's posts for the simple reason that what little I did read contained, as I
>  noted, obvious and numerous fallacies. There is not much of a challenge there and little interest.
>
>  He does get my panties in a wad, I'll admit. But not because of his arguments, or even his insults.
>  I still can't get over how a local church could so blatantly act like a political machine. That they
>  can continue to do so while most people, intelligent though most may be, fail to notice what
>  strikes me as being so dang obvious.
>
>  Just to make my point, I'll ask you straight up, Gary. Are you really going to tell me that you don't
>  know who No Weatherman is, and with what church he is affiliated? We may have our differences
>  but, previous name-calling aside, I certainly consider you to be intelligent. But my guess is, you'll say "No" and "No." And that just makes my point. I am stunned that they could pull the wool over
>  even your eyes, a crafty, no-nonsense man of the people. Just thinking about it, let alone being
>  reminded of it on a daily basis, drives me fricken nuts.
>
>  And since I'm not reading Dr. No's posts and you consider him to be so challenging, could you just
>  repeat for me what you take to be his best point, and the best argument for that point. Just one.
>  If it is not an easily identifiable fallacy, I'll be shocked. But prove me wrong! Just one example.
>
>  --
>  Joe Campbell
>
>
>  ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>  > What is not so much offensive as hilarious is someone who chooses to hop up
>  > onto their moral high horse concerning one anonymous contributor while
>  > having ignored or lauded so many others. Where was your massive concern when
>  > we were regularly receiving missives from B. Herodotus, P.Place, T.
>
> > Scimitar, J. Flores, and last but far from the least (prolific) J.Ford? I
>
> > seem to recall several instances of your leaping to the defense of at least
>  > one of these miscreants. Clearly the problem that you are having with Mr.
>  > Weatherman is that he has the unmitigated gall to bring up topics along with
>
> > citations that you find uncomfortable and difficult to reconcile. So, rather
>  > then respond to the matter at hand, you attempt to divert the discussion
>  > with phony outrage at the commentators anonymity and/or his potential
>  > affiliations. I guess if you can't answer the questions, attack and vilify
>  > the questioner. I personally prefer to evaluate the argument, taking into
>  > consideration the lack of a name or a face as just one more piece of
>  > information. So far, the mysterious nature of the anti-weather dude has no
>  > bearing on BHO's unsavory affiliations and his and his supporters inability
>  > to account for them.
>  >
>  > g
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: <joekc at roadrunner.com>
>  > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>  > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:33 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
>  >
>  >
>  > > I'm not reading this but I just wanted to point out that if Doug Wilson
>  > > thought that this was
>  > > inappropriate, then the posts would stop in a heartbeat. Otherwise, I'm
>  > > not sure what to say
>  > > about No Wetherman's bad joke on the Courtney blog. {Just because you
>  > > don't use your name, Dr.
>  > > No, it does not mean that many of us do not know who you are.}
>  > >
>  > > So, I ask you Area Man and Roger Falen, Harkins and Crabtree: do you not
>  > > find it offensive that
>  > > someone might post such comments without revealing his name? If it turns
>  > > out that this person
>  > > was affiliated with a church, one that might be a political group instead
>  > > of a religious one, would
>  > > that offend you? Do you think that such groups should reap the benefits
>  > > sanctioned by the first
>  > > amendment? Warning: If you say that this is OK, then you are sanctioning a
>  > > similar approach by
>  > > a pro-Obama spokesman, perhaps on a national level. What do you think in
>  > > this light?
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > Joe Campbell
>  > >
>  > > ---- No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > >> At the risk of offending those of you who have already taken offense
>  > >> by my cowardly, anonymous, and purely factual presence in this
>  > >> one-sided conversation, please allow me to ask a terribly awkward
>  > >> question that I hope will cut to the heart of this issue about when
>  > >> life begins.
>  > >>
>  > >> We all know that Barrack Hussein Obama is the illegitimate son (one of
>  > >> many) of a Kenyan father who knocked up a teenager from Kansas.
>  > >>
>  > >> Let's say that Roe v. Wade was in place back then and that Obama's
>  > >> mother attempted to terminate her pregnancy, via a saline abortion,
>  > >> but things went sadly awry — the baby, or as some on this list prefer
>  > >> to call it, the "potential human being," refused to die.
>  > >>
>  > >> What moral obligations, if any, do you believe should be on the
>  > >> attending physicians:
>  > >>
>  > >> 1. Kill the baby.
>  > >> 2. Abandon the baby (which is number 1 by another name).
>  > >> 3. Save the baby.
>  > >> 4. Other.
>  > >>
>  > >> As I said, this is a terribly awkward question but it helps put flesh
>  > >> and bones on this sensitive subject and it's not beyond the realm of
>  > >> possibility because it happens more often than Americans want to know:
>  > >>
>  > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anieuWFWe8s&feature=related
>  > >>
>  > >> Barrack Hussein Obama said that this question was above his pay grade,
>  > >> but we all know he was just avoiding the uncomfortable truth. That
>  > >> "potential human" in the womb is a precious human life and Obama
>  > >> should get on his knees every night and thank his maker that his
>  > >> mother couldn't resort to Roe v. Wade to kill him.
>  > >>
>  > >> Part of the daily fudge.
>  > >>
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