[Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood Fundraising
joekc at roadrunner.com
joekc at roadrunner.com
Thu Oct 2 14:22:34 PDT 2008
I don't understand why an email from you or Rosemary could get a post removed unless ...
The real question is did Harkins ask or not? If he did, I'll apologize immediately.
Wrt Dr. No, maybe he is responsible for the Courtney post, maybe he isn't. Yet I believe he is. In a
political climate where one's personal views on abortion might influence another's possible
decisions I don't see why I can't state my own personal views on the matter in public. Why not?
But things could be different. I'm willing to scale back. I just want to get a grip on the rules of the
game. If I can get some general consensus from conservatives and progressives alike that Dr. No
is taking things too far, or that the guy with the bigot sign took things too far, or that things were
taken too far when Courtney put up a blog in the name of a dead man, I might change my view.
I am respectful of those, like you, who want to take the high road on these issues. But given that
the last two presidential elections have lead to (a) a war in Iraq and (b) our current economic
crisis, what good is the high road? It doesn't seem to work. What works is the low road, so don't we owe it to our cause to take it? Isn't saving a few thousand lives in Iraq, or a few billion dollars
at home worth a few political gestures? After all, if we'd have adopted these same policies ...
Maybe you have an answer, maybe someone else does. I'd like to know. Right now I feel as if there
is a war, and in a war all is fair. Someone convince me otherwise.
Best, Joe
---- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Joe, I'm afraid your "ergo, he didn't ask" argument is flawed. Wilson does what he does, Glaesbrook likely does what Wilson does, unless told to stop, but it's wrong to conclude that Harkins didn't ask Wilson to intervene. Besides that, Wilson is unlikely to be impressed by Linda Pall's service, and unlikely to do what you would have had Jeff to ask him to do, just because Jeff asked.
>
> And, unless I'm missing something, the racist Obama joke on Courtney's blog isn't presumed or proved to have originated with whoever gets to play No Weatherman these days. It's possible, perhaps probable, but it muddies the waters to assert that's the case.
>
> There's enough going on now to refrain from accusing someone of not having done enough almost a year ago when a weird guy holds up a bad sign.
>
> Keely
> http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:37:11 -0400
> > From: joekc at roadrunner.com
> > To: joekc at roadrunner.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood Fundraising
> >
> > Just to clarify, here is what I think Jeff's "connection" to the event noted below is:
> >
> > Recently it became obvious that Doug Wilson gets to say what does and what does not happen for members of Christ Church. He asked Dale Courney to remove the offensive joke by No Weatherman and Courney did so. If had wanted the man with the bigot sign to stop holding the sign, the man would have stopped. That is what I believe and there is evidence for it.
> >
> > Jeff Harkins was part of one candidate's team, a treasurer I believe. If he had gone to Wilson and said "Look, to call Linda Paul a bigot, after she has done so much for the community and given her record on human rights, is just absurd. Same goes with the others. This is wrong! He should stop and apologize now!" I have every reason to believe that the man would have put the sign down and issued a public apology. That didn't happen, ergo Harkins didn't ask.
> >
> > That is why I don't take much stock in Harkins on his soap box about how to behave during an election.
> >
> > Care to point out which step is wrong in my analysis, Jeff? I doubt it. Which is not to say that you won't issue some sweeping soap box speech intended to get us off THIS topic.
> >
> > --
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > ---- joekc at roadrunner.com wrote:
> > > You are way off base, Jeff.
> > >
> > > To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor Sarah is irony. Everyone knows
> > > her views on the topic. There is no intent here to misrepresent those views. To suggest otherwise
> > > is like saying a report that your previous comment was REAL intelligent (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)
> > > is to issue you a compliment. It isn't. It is sarcasm, meaning the opposite of what is literally said.
> > >
> > > One might want to say the strategy is rude since it is in-your-face but there is nothing more
> > > in-your-face than depriving someone of the right to make one's own choice about such a complex
> > > issue. It is just another instance of demanding a level of civility in politics that Palin and the rest
> > > of the radical right are unwilling to deliver to their opponents. For someone who led a recent
> > > campaign that benefited from the fact that a man held a sign downtown calling your opponents
> > > "bigots," you have a lot of nerve complaining about this. I don't remember you saying a thing then.
> > >
> > > And no I won't ever forget that incident, or your involvement with it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joe Campbell
> > >
> > > ---- Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
> > > > Chasuk,
> > > >
> > > > I use an older dictionary - probably because I am older.
> > > >
> > > > Defame - to attack or injure the reputation or honor of by false and
> > > > malicious statements; malign, slander or libel.
> > > > [Webster's New World, 3rd College Edition, 1988]
> > > >
> > > > To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor Sarah
> > > > Palin is a false and malicious statement. The intent is to malign
> > > > the Vice Presidential Candidate Gov. Sarah Palin.
> > > >
> > > > It is interesting that we agree on the vendetta against Christ
> > > > Church, e.g., counterproductive and hypocritical.
> > > >
> > > > At 08:45 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote:
> > > > >On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 19:54, Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > An obvious attack on Gov. Palin's character and her values. Read
> > > > > carefully,
> > > > > > you could spare a lot of energy.
> > > > >
> > > > >I do read carefully, but I also know what "defame" means, when it it
> > > > >apparent that you don't.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tell you what - let's start a campaign, in
> > > > > your name, to provide donations to Christ Church. Are you in?
> > > > >
> > > > >Certainly. I would be honored. I'm not a member of the
> > > > >I-hate-Doug-tribe. The beliefs and practices of Kirkers are no more
> > > > >alarming than the beliefs or practices of numerous Roman Catholics or
> > > > >Mormons in Moscow, so I consider the entire vendetta counterproductive
> > > > >and hypocritical.
> > > >
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