[Vision2020] I don't understand

[Tom Hansen]

Granted.  It only takes one dishonest employee/person to compromise your sense of safety.  
 
Might as well pay all of your debts in person and in cash, the cash that you keep buried in your backyard in a coffee can.
 
How widespread should we consider this lack of honesty?  Should we feel that every person with whom we interact could potentially, and would conceivably, take adavantage of us for simple personal gain? 
 
The bottom line is that we must have some basic degree of faith and trust in our neighbor.  Without it society deteriorates.
 
If this is so, perhaps this only serves to validate the old saying "Love your enemy."  After all you won't be able to trust your friends.
 
Now, if you'll excuse me, I must get back to reinstalling the quadruple-lock, non-bypass, retinal-scanning security system on my front door before the paper boy gets here.
 
Seeya round town, Moscow.
 
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
 
 



From: deco at moscow.comTo: vision2020 at moscow.comDate: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:52:51 -0800Subject: Re: [Vision2020] I don't understand


If you pay your Verizon phone bill by check or credit card, they have on record your checking account number and/or credit card number along with the name/identity you use with them.  In addition, since they subscribe to the big three credit tracking agencies, they have all that info also.  It only takes one clever, dishonest employee to relay that information to outside elements or use it themselves.
 
W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ted Moffett 
To: Art Deco 
Cc: Vision 2020 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] I don't understand

I would not grant Verizon, or any corporation involved in phone or Internet communication, assess to any personal information that I seriously need to protect.  Encryption or anonymity are options.  I assume any communication over phone or Internet is possibly compromised, given the behavior of major US corporations in wholesale violations of US citizens Fourth Amendment rights in recent years
 
Large scale accessing of personal information by (judges, warrants and the Fourth Amendment are impediments blocking intel on terrorists, of course) the FBI has been granted to Verizon and other corporations, which is why they were seeking retroactive immunity from prosecution for complicity with government "spying:"
 
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8622
 
According to whistleblower Babak Pasdar, a telecom carrier he worked for as a security consultant, subsequently named as Verizon by the Post, said the company maintained a high-speed DS-3 digital line that allowed the Bureau and other security agencies "unfettered" access to the carrier's wireless network, including billing records and customer data "transmitted wirelessly."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/21/AR2007102101041.html?nav=rss_technology
As part of a surveillance package approved Thursday by the Senate intelligence committee, some telecommunications companies would be granted immunity from about 40 pending lawsuits that allege they violated Americans' privacy and constitutional rights by aiding a warrantless surveillance program instituted after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. 
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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett 
On 11/21/08, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote: 


Forget that the victim is Obama.  But if you or I accessed someone's Verizon account, we'd be open to having criminal charges filed against us.  What's the difference between an unauthorized Verizon employee accessing an account and you or I accessing that account?  Why isn't Verizon asking for criminal charges?  This certainly reduces my confidence in Verizon's protecting my personal data.
 
W.
 
 
 
Verizon Staff Viewed Obama's Account
By Cecilia KangWashington Post Staff WriterFriday, November 21, 2008; A08

Verizon Wireless said last night that a number of its employees have "accessed and viewed" President-elect Barack Obama's personal cellphone account without authorization.
The company said all employees who accessed the account -- whether they were authorized to or not -- were immediately put on leave with pay. The firm said it was evaluating the circumstances of each employee's access to the account to determine appropriate action, including disciplinary proceedings.
"We apologize to President-elect Obama and will work to keep the trust our customers place in us every day," chief executive Lowell McAdam said in a statement.
Verizon spokesman Jeffrey Nelson declined to comment beyond the company's prepared statement and wouldn't specify how many employees saw the account or what kind of information was viewed.
The breech of personal data comes as some security experts question whether Obama, who used the Web as a central part of his campaign strategy, should for security purposes stop using devices to transfer e-mail and other data when he becomes president.
The account has been inactive for several months, Verizon said. Obama's phone was a flip-phone as opposed to a Blackberry or other smartphone device that is better suited for heavy e-mail and other data services, Verizon said.
While the company wouldn't elaborate on what kind of data was viewed on Obama's account, it could include calling and billing records.
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