[Vision2020] Don't you get it? EVERYONE'S rights are in peril!

Fri Nov 7 15:47:30 PST 2008

*It seems more like you're saying that Bush has no culpability and the Dems
are fully to blame which is absurd.*

No no Scott, I'm not saying that at all.  In fact I think it is exactly the
opposite which is why I'm a bit confused.  The Dems seem to have done all
the can, or at least tried to do what they set out to do when Pelosi took
over, but have been "hamstrung" by the current administration.  If this is
indeed the case, why not simply lay the blame fully on Bush and the rest of
his administration?  Certainly the Bush administration has taken a good
share of well-deserved blows, but when the Congressional approval rating has
been consistently 10 to 15 points lower than Bush's, it makes me wonder
what's up.

Are you saying the American public is simply fickle and the blame JUST gets
passed around to everyone??  If that is the simple yet accurate explanation,
so be it, but I'm just not buying it yet!

Yes I agree with you it is not going to be a rosy situation for Obama and
his administration.  I'm not sure people can appreciate how slow things may
actually move, and I'm afraid this is going to generate a perhaps unfair
mistrust or suspicion about campaign promises and delivery.  But I have to
admit I for one will be looking at next year's tax filings to see how badly
I get beat up!

Thanks for your comments!

GS

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Why would you find it strange Glenn?  Approval / dissapproval seems to me
to
> be based on the economy.  If the economic engine is humming and anyone who
> wants a job can find gainful employment, Congress and the President both
get
> a thumbs up.  Whether or not Obama and Congress can make forward progress
on
> any agenda is really up to them and how much they can realistically take
on
> while being hamstrung with the cost of two wars as well as the staggering
> cost of the so-called economic rescue package.  I thought Clinton's first
2
> years in office with a Democratic Congress was an excruciatingly poor
> combination, but that last 6 with a Republican Congress were spectacular
> (admittedly from purely selfish viewpoint).
>
> If you want to say that the current mess can be blamed on Bush and
> Congressional Dems, I'm in total agreement.  I'm not sure you're saying
> that, though.  It seems more like you're saying that Bush has no
culpability
> and the Dems are fully to blame which is absurd.  Ronald Reagan worked
> miracles - in my opinion - with a Democratic Congress.  He pushed through
> sweeping tax reductions in his 6th year by going up in front of Congress
and
> saying 'win one for the Gipper!'.  So it can be done...just not from a guy
> like George W. Bush.  He sucked with a GOP Congress and he sucked worse
with
> a Pelosi / Reid Congress.  He just plain sucked as a President.  Good
> riddance come January.  It's been a painful 8 years.  At least the Carter
> years were half of that time although since I was a lot younger, it seemed
> to be about the same duration to me.
>
> -Scott
>
>> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:49:45 -0800
>> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Don't you get it? EVERYONE'S rights are in
>> peril!
>>
>> Well yes, I think anyone can see that the Bush administration was not
>> particularly "friendly" towards legislation put forth by the
>> Democrats, but I find it odd that the American public would hold this
>> lack of action against the Democrats (of whos legislation I assume
>> they would approve), and NOT the governing body who is putting the
>> brakes on everything? It's not as if the Dems threw up their hands in
>> resignation and said "OK - you've got us. We'll give up and go home."
>> THAT would justify poor approval ratings.
>>
>> In other words, why be so bitterly antagonistic against such an august
>> group and hold the Democratic congress to blame for lack of positive
>> action by the current administration?? I just don't think Andreas' or
>> Sunil's explanation is completely correct or satisfactory.
>>
>> So there is more to the story here, and I would find it very strange
>> if simply bringing in Democratic administration suddenly shifts
>> congressional approval from 15% to 75%.
>>
>> More thoughts?
>>
>> GS
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Sunil Ramalingam
>> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > What the Glenns aren't mentioning here is that the primary difference
is
>> > that Obama isn't going to be as likely to veto legislation produced by
>> > the
>> > Dems as Bush was.
>> >
>> > Sunil
>> >
>> >> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:20:10 -0800
>> >> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
>> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Don't you get it? EVERYONE'S rights are in
>> >> peril!
>> >>
>> >> Hmmm - seems to me this was a common thread NW had been hammering home
>> >> for awhile: Everyone's Rights Will Be (and are now) at Risk. But not
>> >> to belabor that point.
>> >>
>> >> My question is, given that the current approval rating for a
>> >> DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY (and even a greater majority now) congress is
>> >> abysmal, how is simply electing a democratic president going to change
>> >> the public perception of congress? And why is their approval rating
>> >> at it's lowest point in history to begin with?? I mean, YOU guys put
>> >> THOSE guys in there - and you're not happy about what they have done?
>> >>
>> >> I am indeed confused.
>> >>
>> >> GS
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:28 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com
>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > The long awaited for election is finally over. We breathe a sigh of
>> >> > relief
>> >> > and look forward to the promise of change and hope for the future.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, there's also a dark side to this past election. It is so
>> >> > disturbing that one of our states would have an initiative on the
>> >> > ballot
>> >> > to
>> >> > change their state constitution, to allow for discrimination against
>> >> > one
>> >> > specific group of citizens. And then it passed. Bigotry is now law.
>> >> >
>> >> > We need to keep an eye on our neighbor states, because what affects
>> >> > them
>> >> > today , could affect us tomorrow. We must be ever vigilant of
>> >> > distant outside forces that would try to manipulate events close to
>> >> > our
>> >> > home. We must realize that hate was well funded. . . money was
poured
>> >> > into
>> >> > California by groups that preach love. "Love your neighbor". . . .
>> >> > but
>> >> > make
>> >> > sure it's only a certain kind of love that we approve of.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ellen A. Roskovich
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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