[Vision2020] Don't you get it? EVERYONE'S rights are in peril!

Thu Nov 6 17:42:53 PST 2008

Why would you find it strange Glenn?  Approval / dissapproval seems to me to be based on the economy.  If the economic engine is humming and anyone who wants a job can find gainful employment, Congress and the President both get a thumbs up.  Whether or not Obama and Congress can make forward progress on any agenda is really up to them and how much they can realistically take on while being hamstrung with the cost of two wars as well as the staggering cost of the so-called economic rescue package.  I thought Clinton's first 2 years in office with a Democratic Congress was an excruciatingly poor combination, but that last 6 with a Republican Congress were spectacular (admittedly from purely selfish viewpoint).

If you want to say that the current mess can be blamed on Bush and Congressional Dems, I'm in total agreement.  I'm not sure you're saying that, though.  It seems more like you're saying that Bush has no culpability and the Dems are fully to blame which is absurd.  Ronald Reagan worked miracles - in my opinion - with a Democratic Congress.  He pushed through sweeping tax reductions in his 6th year by going up in front of Congress and saying 'win one for the Gipper!'.  So it can be done...just not from a guy like George W. Bush.  He sucked with a GOP Congress and he sucked worse with a Pelosi / Reid Congress.  He just plain sucked as a President.  Good riddance come January.  It's been a painful 8 years.  At least the Carter years were half of that time although since I was a lot younger, it seemed to be about the same duration to me.

-Scott

> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:49:45 -0800
> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Don't you get it? EVERYONE'S rights are in peril!
> 
> Well yes, I think anyone can see that the Bush administration was not
> particularly "friendly" towards legislation put forth by the
> Democrats, but I find it odd that the American public would hold this
> lack of action against the Democrats (of whos legislation I assume
> they would approve), and NOT the governing body who is putting the
> brakes on everything?  It's not as if the Dems threw up their hands in
> resignation and said "OK - you've got us.  We'll give up and go home."
>  THAT would justify poor approval ratings.
> 
> In other words, why be so bitterly antagonistic against such an august
> group and hold the Democratic congress to blame for lack of positive
> action by the current administration??  I just don't think Andreas' or
> Sunil's explanation is completely correct or satisfactory.
> 
> So there is more to the story here, and I would find it very strange
> if simply bringing in Democratic administration suddenly shifts
> congressional approval from 15% to 75%.
> 
> More thoughts?
> 
> GS
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Sunil Ramalingam
> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What the Glenns aren't mentioning here is that the primary difference is
> > that Obama isn't going to be as likely to veto legislation produced by the
> > Dems as Bush was.
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:20:10 -0800
> >> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Don't you get it? EVERYONE'S rights are in
> >> peril!
> >>
> >> Hmmm - seems to me this was a common thread NW had been hammering home
> >> for awhile: Everyone's Rights Will Be (and are now) at Risk. But not
> >> to belabor that point.
> >>
> >> My question is, given that the current approval rating for a
> >> DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY (and even a greater majority now) congress is
> >> abysmal, how is simply electing a democratic president going to change
> >> the public perception of congress? And why is their approval rating
> >> at it's lowest point in history to begin with?? I mean, YOU guys put
> >> THOSE guys in there - and you're not happy about what they have done?
> >>
> >> I am indeed confused.
> >>
> >> GS
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:28 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > The long awaited for election is finally over. We breathe a sigh of
> >> > relief
> >> > and look forward to the promise of change and hope for the future.
> >> >
> >> > However, there's also a dark side to this past election. It is so
> >> > disturbing that one of our states would have an initiative on the ballot
> >> > to
> >> > change their state constitution, to allow for discrimination against one
> >> > specific group of citizens. And then it passed. Bigotry is now law.
> >> >
> >> > We need to keep an eye on our neighbor states, because what affects them
> >> > today , could affect us tomorrow. We must be ever vigilant of
> >> > distant outside forces that would try to manipulate events close to our
> >> > home. We must realize that hate was well funded. . . money was poured
> >> > into
> >> > California by groups that preach love. "Love your neighbor". . . . but
> >> > make
> >> > sure it's only a certain kind of love that we approve of.
> >> >
> >> > Ellen A. Roskovich
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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