[Vision2020] State Verifies Obama's Birth Certificate

Sun Nov 2 17:50:52 PST 2008

N W,

It is difficult to argue with someone about US Citizenship who has not read US law regarding citizenship.

The law already addresses these questions you ask. They don't need to be figured out, it is just you that is having a difficult time understanding the laws of the US regarding citizenship. 

1) Laws regarding citizenship for those under 18 years of age are different for those of adults. You keep trying to apply adult citizenship laws to children. 

2) Obama was a child, 7-10 years old, when he lived in Indonesia. So his citizenship was never taken away from him by the US when he visited a foreign country. The Indonesian government, nor his mother, nor his stepfather, nor Obama himself, could renounce his United States Citizenship until Obama was 18 years of age. 

3) The citizenship, religion, and name listed on Obama's school registration, which you point out, was of his father, not Obama's, which was the custom of the Indonesian Public School System. 

4) Obama was unquestionably born in the US. McCain unquestionably was not. As McCain was born in a medical facility stationed under the jurisdiction of the Panamanian government. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com> wrote:

From: No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Verifies Obama's Birth Certificate
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:27 AM

Donovan:

Let's assume two points.

1.	Obama was born in Hawaii and was therefore a "natural born
citizen."
2.	Obama renounced his US citizenship when Indonesia naturalized him.

My question for you is, can someone recover their "natural born
citizenship" after they renounced it to become naturalized in a
country that does not allow dual citizenship?

If so, how?

Has Obama complied with these steps?

If yes, where's the evidence?

These are the sticky points no one wants to talk about.

You ask: "Who gives a rip what his religion was, is, especially when
he was 7. Attacking Obama for not choosing to be a Christian before 7
years old seems a bit excessive and judgmental, don't you agree?"

Yes, I agree and I don't know why you would ask this. Did I indicate
anything about age?

The broader issue is one of Obama's honesty. Obama said he's never
been a Muslim. This document, assuming it is legitimate, says
otherwise.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> "This is an AP photo of an enrollment application to a school in
Indonesia
> that confirms Obama's Indonesian citizenship. . ."
>
> This application says he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1961. Ergo, he is
a
> Natural Born Citizen according to Federal Law.
>
> . . . and his Muslim religion"
>
> Who gives a rip what his religion was, is, especially when he was 7.
> Attacking Obama for not choosing to be a Christian before 7 years old
seems
> a bit excessive and judgmental, don't you agree?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/1/08, No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Verifies Obama's Birth Certificate
> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 4:06 PM
>
> This is an AP photo of an enrollment application to a school in
> Indonesia that confirms Obama's Indonesian citizenship and his Muslim
> religion:
>
>
http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u352/hrcbackup/ObamaRegistrationCrisp1.png
>
> I'll Google the interpretation for you, I remember reading it on an
> Indonesian site.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul Rumelhart
<godshatter at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> I forgot to ask this:
>>
>> Could you show me your evidence that Obama is a naturalized Indonesian
>> citizen that is on par with the evidence you request to be shown to
prove
>> that Obama is a citizen of the US?
>>
>> Then we can take up the question of how that affects his US
citizenship.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> No Weatherman wrote:
>>>
>>> Well. That settles it.
>>>
>>> Two people said they saw it.
>>>
>>> It must be true.
>>>
>>> But what happened when he lost his US citizenship after Indonesia
>>> naturalized him?
>>>
>>> That's the question that no one has answered.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
>>>>
>>>> HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on
> Friday
>>>> released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack
Obama
>>>> birth certificate.
>>>>
>>>> The state has received multiple requests for a copy of
Obama's
> birth
>>>> certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the
> birth
>>>> certificate of a person to someone outside of the family.
>>>>
>>>> There were rumors that Obama was born in Kenya, where his
father
> is
>>>> from. The Constitution requires that the president be a
natural
> born
>>>> citizen of the U.S.
>>>>
>>>> While many sites and news organizations have released copies
> provided
>>>> by the Obama campaign, the rumors have persisted.
>>>>
>>>> "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack
Hussein
> Obama's
>>>> official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised
> Statutes
>>>> §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth
certificate
> to
>>>> persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital
> record," DOH
>>>> Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
>>>>
>>>> "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of
> Hawai'i, along
>>>> with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory
authority
> to
>>>> oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have
personally
> seen
>>>> and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health
has
> Sen.
>>>> Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance
> with state
>>>> policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor
> Linda
>>>> Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled
in a
>>>> manner different from any other vital record in the possession
of
> the
>>>> State of Hawai'i," Fukino said.
>>>>
>>>> Multiple lawsuits were filed to try and force Obama to provide
> proof
>>>> of citizenship.
>>>>
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