[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Sali's concerns put spotlight on ID cards issued by Mexico

[Donovan Arnold]

Andreas,
   
  I will bet you $100, I can get any Spanish speaking Hispanic a Consulate ID Card in Boise once it opens?
   
  "40% of the jobs the United States has to offer, according to the
Department of Labor, is roughly 160 million. This is sixty million
more jobs than Mexico has people."
   
  Are you being cute? You know I mean of all jobs held by non US citizens, not all jobs.
  
 
  "And this is ad hominiem founded on a non sequitur derived entirely
from of right-wing confabulations"
   
  It is based on FACT, not "emotional appeal", which is your fallacy and the crux of your and Keely's arguments.  
   
  Best Regards,
   
  Donovan

Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
  Donovan --



On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Donovan Arnold
wrote:
> Keely,
>
> Actually, you are either being very cute with us, or are completely ignorant
> of the purpose of the Consulate. As you know, that the Consulate gives ID
> cards to anyone of Hispanic descent, not just its own citizens, as no legal
> identification is needed to get one.

Actualy, this isn't true.

> Rapists, murderers, child molesters,
> drug dealers, and other criminals escaping US and other law enforcement
> officials for past crimes are able to get these identification cards.

And this is an extrapolation of something that isn't true to begin with.

> It
> places many innocent people, and police officers, in danger. Illegal labor
> in the country drives down wages, robs from Social Security, local schools,
> and other programs.
>
> As I understand Keely, you are not against placing child molesters, rapists,
> murderers, and other criminals in a position to run free in society. There
> is a reason why we have laws for immigration, part of that is to make sure
> that wages stay fair and criminal behavior does not run rampant in our
> society.

And this is ad hominiem founded on a non sequitur derived entirely
from of right-wing confabulations.

> Mexico, has less than 3% of the world's population, yet receives 40% of the
> places and jobs the United States has to offer. Mexico is the 12th
> wealthiest nation on the planet. Why should the remaining 92% of the
> population, and the other 260+ poorer nations of the planet not be given an
> equal opportunity to have a shot at those jobs and the American dream?

40% of the jobs the United States has to offer, according to the
Department of Labor, is roughly 160 million. This is sixty million
more jobs than Mexico has people.

> You, Keely, as I understand, support an immigration policy that is unfair
> and unjust. You support a policy that is not only a danger to innocents in
> this society, and to others playing by the rules, but you support a policy
> that is even a danger to those you claim to support.

Did you not actually read the last argument we had about this, or is
this another Donovan entirely?

-- ACS


       
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