<DIV>Andreas,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I will bet you $100, I can get any Spanish speaking Hispanic a Consulate ID Card in Boise once it opens?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"40% of the jobs the United States has to offer, according to the<BR>Department of Labor, is roughly 160 million. This is sixty million<BR>more jobs than Mexico has people."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are you being cute? You know I mean of all jobs held by non US citizens, not all jobs.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>"And this is ad hominiem founded on a non sequitur derived entirely<BR>from of right-wing confabulations"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is based on FACT, not "emotional appeal", which is your fallacy and the crux of your and Keely's arguments. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Andreas Schou <ophite@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Donovan --<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Donovan Arnold<BR><DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> Keely,<BR>><BR>> Actually, you are either being very cute with us, or are completely ignorant<BR>> of the purpose of the Consulate. As you know, that the Consulate gives ID<BR>> cards to anyone of Hispanic descent, not just its own citizens, as no legal<BR>> identification is needed to get one.<BR><BR>Actualy, this isn't true.<BR><BR>> Rapists, murderers, child molesters,<BR>> drug dealers, and other criminals escaping US and other law enforcement<BR>> officials for past crimes are able to get these identification cards.<BR><BR>And this is an extrapolation of something that isn't true to begin with.<BR><BR>> It<BR>> places many innocent people, and police officers, in danger. Illegal labor<BR>> in the country drives down wages, robs from Social Security, local
schools,<BR>> and other programs.<BR>><BR>> As I understand Keely, you are not against placing child molesters, rapists,<BR>> murderers, and other criminals in a position to run free in society. There<BR>> is a reason why we have laws for immigration, part of that is to make sure<BR>> that wages stay fair and criminal behavior does not run rampant in our<BR>> society.<BR><BR>And this is ad hominiem founded on a non sequitur derived entirely<BR>from of right-wing confabulations.<BR><BR>> Mexico, has less than 3% of the world's population, yet receives 40% of the<BR>> places and jobs the United States has to offer. Mexico is the 12th<BR>> wealthiest nation on the planet. Why should the remaining 92% of the<BR>> population, and the other 260+ poorer nations of the planet not be given an<BR>> equal opportunity to have a shot at those jobs and the American dream?<BR><BR>40% of the jobs the United States has to offer, according to
the<BR>Department of Labor, is roughly 160 million. This is sixty million<BR>more jobs than Mexico has people.<BR><BR>> You, Keely, as I understand, support an immigration policy that is unfair<BR>> and unjust. You support a policy that is not only a danger to innocents in<BR>> this society, and to others playing by the rules, but you support a policy<BR>> that is even a danger to those you claim to support.<BR><BR>Did you not actually read the last argument we had about this, or is<BR>this another Donovan entirely?<BR><BR>-- ACS<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>