[Vision2020] Xian, Xtian

[Donovan Arnold]

Ralph,
   
  I don't have a problem with the Greek language. I have a problem with you disrespecting other people and their religion just because you disagree with it. 
   
  I did not bring up the idea of original sin. Somebody asked me if I though Gays deserved death. I responded that all people deserve it that sin against God. You, Ted, Joe, Chas, and Keely all went ape shit about it, and said Christians didn't believe that.  
   
  Best Regards,
   
  Donovan
   
  
Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:
  Donovan,

I am not talking to "Gays, Jews, Hispanics, individuals with 
disabilities" or whatever. I'm talking to you about a subject that 
you raised in the first place: Original Sin and its "deserved" 
punishment. The theory began with Paul in NT days. The entire NT was 
written in Greek. If you don't like Greek that's your hang-up, not mine.

Ralph


On May 22, 2008, at 1:03 AM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> Ralph,
>
> Are you Greek? No. Are we in Greece? No, was Christ Greek? No. So 
> why are you using this ONE word in Greek and nothing else, in a 
> context that is offensive when used in English? The ancient history 
> is not relevant, what is relevant, is that you are using it as an 
> "f-you" to Christians. You know this, other atheists on the board 
> know this, Christians know this, so please stop insulting us and 
> your colleagues by pretending otherwise. You would not do use 
> offense language to Gays, Jews, Hispanics, individuals with 
> disabilities, even if the words you used had a Greek historical 
> context that was not intended to offend, so doing so to Christians 
> shows a double standard.
>
> "I have known about this contraction for years before you were even a
> zygote."
>
> Ralph, I don't care if you were there for the nailing of Jesus. You 
> are still incorrect in your understanding of Christian beliefs.
>
> See, Ralph, you are arguing that life after death doesn't exist 
> because it says so in the Old Testament.Most Christians are aware 
> that life after death did not occur until, after, Christ died on 
> the cross.
>
> Before Christ died, people were just put in the ground, end of 
> story. After Christ died, we were saved and united with Christ.
>
> Christians, believe in an afterlife, because Christ himself died 
> and rose again. He demonstrated that there is life after death. 
> Christians also believe in life after death because of personal 
> spiritual believes that you have probably not yet experienced.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> Ralph Nielsen wrote:
> Donovan, you forgot to give us your professional Xtian opinion about
> the Oxford English Dictionary. Is it "is a valid source of historical
> information"?
>
> I have known about this contraction for years before you were even a
> zygote. I have copies of the Greek New Testament, where Christ is
> spelled with a capital "X."
>
> I received my first serious instruction in the Bible from James
> Brashler, a scholar who worked for many years translating some of the
> Nag Hammadi codices from Coptic and Greek into English. I have
> attended regional conventions of professional Bible scholars for more
> than a dozen years. Three years ago I went to their international
> convention in San Antonio TX. There were 8,400 of us; I was
> privileged to hear some of the top Bible scholars alive today. I have
> some of their books in my library.
>
> I have the feeling that you don't like that the Hebrew Bible (OT)
> says there is no meaningful life after death and nobody went to
> heaven (except two people). If you think I'm wrong, perhaps you would
> like to tell us how many people in the OT died and went to heaven.
> (OT is a standard scholarly abbreviation for Old Testament. I hope it
> doesn't offend you.)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ralph Nielsen
>

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