[Vision2020] Xian, Xtian

[Ralph Nielsen]

Donovan,

I am not talking to "Gays, Jews, Hispanics, individuals with  
disabilities" or whatever. I'm talking to you about a subject that  
you raised in the first place: Original Sin and its "deserved"  
punishment. The theory began with Paul in NT days. The entire NT was  
written in Greek. If you don't like Greek that's your hang-up, not mine.

Ralph


On May 22, 2008, at 1:03 AM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> Ralph,
>
> Are you Greek? No. Are we in Greece? No, was Christ Greek? No. So  
> why are you using this ONE word in Greek and nothing else, in a  
> context that is offensive when used in English? The ancient history  
> is not relevant, what is relevant, is that you are using it as an  
> "f-you" to Christians. You know this, other atheists on the board  
> know this, Christians know this, so please stop insulting us and  
> your colleagues by pretending otherwise. You would not do use  
> offense language to Gays, Jews, Hispanics, individuals with  
> disabilities, even if the words you used had a Greek historical  
> context that was not intended to offend, so doing so to Christians  
> shows a double standard.
>
> "I have known about this contraction for years before you were even a
> zygote."
>
> Ralph, I don't care if you were there for the nailing of Jesus. You  
> are still incorrect in your understanding of Christian beliefs.
>
> See, Ralph, you are arguing that life after death doesn't exist  
> because it says so in the Old Testament.Most Christians are aware  
> that life after death did not occur until, after, Christ died on  
> the cross.
>
> Before Christ died, people were just put in the ground, end of  
> story. After Christ died, we were saved and united with Christ.
>
> Christians, believe in an afterlife, because Christ himself died  
> and rose again. He demonstrated that there is life after death.  
> Christians also believe in life after death because of personal  
> spiritual believes that you have probably not yet experienced.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:
> Donovan, you forgot to give us your professional Xtian opinion about
> the Oxford English Dictionary. Is it "is a valid source of historical
> information"?
>
> I have known about this contraction for years before you were even a
> zygote. I have copies of the Greek New Testament, where Christ is
> spelled with a capital "X."
>
> I received my first serious instruction in the Bible from James
> Brashler, a scholar who worked for many years translating some of the
> Nag Hammadi codices from Coptic and Greek into English. I have
> attended regional conventions of professional Bible scholars for more
> than a dozen years. Three years ago I went to their international
> convention in San Antonio TX. There were 8,400 of us; I was
> privileged to hear some of the top Bible scholars alive today. I have
> some of their books in my library.
>
> I have the feeling that you don't like that the Hebrew Bible (OT)
> says there is no meaningful life after death and nobody went to
> heaven (except two people). If you think I'm wrong, perhaps you would
> like to tell us how many people in the OT died and went to heaven.
> (OT is a standard scholarly abbreviation for Old Testament. I hope it
> doesn't offend you.)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ralph Nielsen
>