[Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.

[g. crabtree]

Clearly you must enjoy this subject as evidenced by your refusal to let it 
go. The amount of dishonesty in the last couple of posts from you says a lot 
about you and your character. Perhaps that "cooling off" thing you spoke of 
previously would be a good idea.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.


>I just said that you weren't threatened, as you admit below. I'm not sure
> what you're correcting. At least now the V knows where to get their locks
> fixed -- as long as they don't mind their secrets being shared!
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> =============
> The rash threat that Donovan referenced was sent to me and subsequently 
> posted to the Vision on 05/18/2006. Two years ago to the day.
>
> Please note that the "private e-mail" I was responding to and that Mr. 
> Campbell has thoughtfully reprinted here is dated 09/01/07. (odd how that 
> was carelessly left off) Attached is the post in its entirity with all of 
> the lead up from the V:
>
> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: OFFLIST: [Vision2020] Challenge to Crabtree
> Date: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:12 AM
>
> I'll be looking forward to it, tough guy. Just in case you navigate as 
> poorly as you make a point...
>
> The Lock Shop
> 227 East Third St.
> Moscow, Idaho 83843
>
> Corner of Third and Jefferson
>
> In Post Office Square Shopping Center with Marketime Drug and Safari Pearl
>
> Two blocks east of Main St. One block west of the high school
>
> Dead center between the old and new post offices
>
> We'll be closed on Monday
>
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:51 PM
> Subject: OFFLIST: [Vision2020] Challenge to Crabtree
>
>
>> I've got to get some keys made, so I'll come and see you and we'll talk 
>> about this face to face.
>> --
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> I'm guessing that all prospective students of WSU's world renowned
>> philosophy program drop in on the V to get a feel for my opinion with 
>> regard
>> to their future instructors. What ever could I have been thinking. If the
>> argument you presented in the thread I was responding to was an example 
>> of
>> what you think of as sound logic, I stand by my remark.
>>
>> Now, about my job. I can't imagine what relevant thing you might have to 
>> say
>> concerning it as I have never worked for you. I am guessing that your
>> knowledge of the security industry is likely to be less than nil, making
>> your opinion as to my competence as valuable as a free coupon to the
>> Campbell logic, dog, and pony show. But hey, prove me wrong
>>
>> It's pretty easy to make the grandly magnanimous statement "I could have
>> (fill in the blank) but because of my near God like forbearance, I
>> refrained. What's hard is believing it. Especially for someone with your
>> limited level of self control.
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challenge to Crabtree
>>
>>
>>> Did you really say "I urge the youth at WSU to look into disciplines 
>>> that
>>> have
>>> less potential for damaging their thought process"? Don't you think that
>>> thoughtless statements like this about my JOB and livelihood are
>>> irresponsible in this venue? Isn't this going too far?
>>>
>>> I remember when I had a similar opportunity to make comments that might
>>> impact your way of making a living and I passed.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joe Campbell
>>>
>>> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> =============
>>> Actually I agree with Mr. Schwaller. I too, would be surprised if people
>>> in that arena didn't use their power to influence those "beneath" them 
>>> in
>>> a negative way. I think that it's a bad thing and as near as I can tell
>>> Mr. Schwaller is expressing  no opinion either way, merely making a
>>> statement. I see no indication that he thinks it's swell because it's a
>>> common practice.
>>>
>>> Is this an example of the sort of logic you are offering to inflict on 
>>> me
>>> in a class setting? If so, not only do I decline your generous offer but 
>>> I
>>> urge the youth at WSU to look into disciplines that have less potential
>>> for damaging their thought process.
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challenge to Crabtree
>>>
>>>
>>>> Crabtree writes: "Save the vote in this goofy little for someone who
>>>> cares. What's right isn't decided by a show of hands."
>>>>
>>>> So you agree that "Schwaller" was wrong in making the following point:
>>>>
>>>> "I'd be very surprised if anyone in the political arena has not, at 
>>>> some
>>>> point in
>>>> time, used their position to to affect the outcome of an event, or to
>>>> intimidate,
>>>> bully, or in some way influence someone of  a "lesser" position."
>>>>
>>>> You think he was being as much of an idiot as I was being, right?
>>>>
>>>> That's my point! Thank you for helping me make it!
>>>>
>>>> Or is it that appeal to popularity is a better fallacy than two wrongs
>>>> make a right?
>>>>
>>>> All the best, Mr. Joe
>
>
> As you can see, I was responding to an entirely different threat (one of 
> several) that our esteemed philosopher has made to me privately that have 
> NOT been fodder for Vision 2020 perusal. (the original threat was over our 
> differing views on homosexual marriage)
>
> While its true that I wasn't seriously concerned about your original or 
> any subsequent silly threats the fact remains that you are trying to 
> conflate two distinctly different incidents to make some sort of a 
> dishonest point. What it is I can't really tell. As I have offered before, 
> just say the word and I will be happy to release ALL of the off list 
> e-mails in my deleted items file that you have sent me over the years. In 
> fairness these would, like the exchange above, include my half of the 
> correspondence as well. This will provide a much better picture of why my 
> opinions on you and e-mail privacy are what they are.
>
> On the other hand, should you prefer to end this tiresome topic just say 
> so and let it drop. It isn't me that is continually bringing it up.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; "vision2020" 
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.
>
>
>> I'm glad to hear about your view on the subject, Gary!
>>
>> Here is a private email you sent me, showing that it is pretty clear you 
>> did
>> not feel threatened.
>>
>> "I'll be looking forward to it, tough guy. Just in case you navigate as 
>> poorly as you make a point...
>>
>> The Lock Shop
>> 227 East Third St.
>> Moscow, Idaho 83843
>>
>> Corner of Third and Jefferson
>>
>> In Post Office Square Shopping Center with Marketime Drug and Safari 
>> Pearl
>>
>> Two blocks east of Main St. One block west of the high school
>>
>> Dead center between the old and new post offices
>>
>> We'll be closed on Monday
>>
>> g"
>>
>> --
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Since my name has been dragged into this discussion, I assume my thoughts 
>> have some relevance.
>> Private E-mail between friends has a reasonable expectation  of privacy. 
>> E-mail between colleagues may also have a similar expectation. 
>> Acquaintances might also receive this privilege. Threats of public 
>> violence from a total stranger are for me to do with as I will and should 
>> have no expectation of being held in confidence. I elected to make it 
>> public on this list and as such Donovan has every right to refer to it if 
>> he so chooses. It is now public domain. Just because a person wishes 
>> their ill considered outburst had been kept secret does not make it a 
>> "private comment." What's "funny" is the inability to ignore the jabs and 
>> let the matter die.
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.
>>
>>
>>> Donovan writes: "Finally, I am disappointed by your action of posting 
>>> private
>>> emails on the V. I think that undermines trust and the nature in which 
>>> people
>>> post emails."
>>>
>>> This is funny given that Donovan is one of a bunch of people who likes 
>>> to
>>> repeat my private comment to Crabtree!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joe Campbell
>
>