[Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.

[g. crabtree]

The rash threat that Donovan referenced was sent to me and subsequently posted to the Vision on 05/18/2006. Two years ago to the day.

Please note that the "private e-mail" I was responding to and that Mr. Campbell has thoughtfully reprinted here is dated 09/01/07. (odd how that was carelessly left off) Attached is the post in its entirity with all of the lead up from the V:

From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: OFFLIST: [Vision2020] Challenge to Crabtree
Date: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:12 AM

I'll be looking forward to it, tough guy. Just in case you navigate as poorly as you make a point...

The Lock Shop
227 East Third St.
Moscow, Idaho 83843

Corner of Third and Jefferson 

In Post Office Square Shopping Center with Marketime Drug and Safari Pearl

Two blocks east of Main St. One block west of the high school

Dead center between the old and new post offices

We'll be closed on Monday

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:51 PM
Subject: OFFLIST: [Vision2020] Challenge to Crabtree


> I've got to get some keys made, so I'll come and see you and we'll talk about this face to face.  
> --
> Joe Campbell
> 
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote: 
> 
> =============
> I'm guessing that all prospective students of WSU's world renowned 
> philosophy program drop in on the V to get a feel for my opinion with regard 
> to their future instructors. What ever could I have been thinking. If the 
> argument you presented in the thread I was responding to was an example of 
> what you think of as sound logic, I stand by my remark.
> 
> Now, about my job. I can't imagine what relevant thing you might have to say 
> concerning it as I have never worked for you. I am guessing that your 
> knowledge of the security industry is likely to be less than nil, making 
> your opinion as to my competence as valuable as a free coupon to the 
> Campbell logic, dog, and pony show. But hey, prove me wrong
> 
> It's pretty easy to make the grandly magnanimous statement "I could have 
> (fill in the blank) but because of my near God like forbearance, I 
> refrained. What's hard is believing it. Especially for someone with your 
> limited level of self control.
> 
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challenge to Crabtree
> 
> 
>> Did you really say "I urge the youth at WSU to look into disciplines that 
>> have
>> less potential for damaging their thought process"? Don't you think that
>> thoughtless statements like this about my JOB and livelihood are
>> irresponsible in this venue? Isn't this going too far?
>>
>> I remember when I had a similar opportunity to make comments that might
>> impact your way of making a living and I passed.
>>
>> --
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Actually I agree with Mr. Schwaller. I too, would be surprised if people 
>> in that arena didn't use their power to influence those "beneath" them in 
>> a negative way. I think that it's a bad thing and as near as I can tell 
>> Mr. Schwaller is expressing  no opinion either way, merely making a 
>> statement. I see no indication that he thinks it's swell because it's a 
>> common practice.
>>
>> Is this an example of the sort of logic you are offering to inflict on me 
>> in a class setting? If so, not only do I decline your generous offer but I 
>> urge the youth at WSU to look into disciplines that have less potential 
>> for damaging their thought process.
>>
>> g
>>
>>
>>
>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challenge to Crabtree
>>
>>
>>> Crabtree writes: "Save the vote in this goofy little for someone who 
>>> cares. What's right isn't decided by a show of hands."
>>>
>>> So you agree that "Schwaller" was wrong in making the following point:
>>>
>>> "I'd be very surprised if anyone in the political arena has not, at some 
>>> point in
>>> time, used their position to to affect the outcome of an event, or to 
>>> intimidate,
>>> bully, or in some way influence someone of  a "lesser" position."
>>>
>>> You think he was being as much of an idiot as I was being, right?
>>>
>>> That's my point! Thank you for helping me make it!
>>>
>>> Or is it that appeal to popularity is a better fallacy than two wrongs 
>>> make a right?
>>>
>>> All the best, Mr. Joe


 As you can see, I was responding to an entirely different threat (one of several) that our esteemed philosopher has made to me privately that have NOT been fodder for Vision 2020 perusal. (the original threat was over our differing views on homosexual marriage)

While its true that I wasn't seriously concerned about your original or any subsequent silly threats the fact remains that you are trying to conflate two distinctly different incidents to make some sort of a dishonest point. What it is I can't really tell. As I have offered before, just say the word and I will be happy to release ALL of the off list e-mails in my deleted items file that you have sent me over the years. In fairness these would, like the exchange above, include my half of the correspondence as well. This will provide a much better picture of why my opinions on you and e-mail privacy are what they are. 

On the other hand, should you prefer to end this tiresome topic just say so and let it drop. It isn't me that is continually bringing it up.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.


> I'm glad to hear about your view on the subject, Gary!
> 
> Here is a private email you sent me, showing that it is pretty clear you did
> not feel threatened.
> 
> "I'll be looking forward to it, tough guy. Just in case you navigate as poorly as you make a point...
> 
> The Lock Shop
> 227 East Third St.
> Moscow, Idaho 83843
> 
> Corner of Third and Jefferson 
> 
> In Post Office Square Shopping Center with Marketime Drug and Safari Pearl
> 
> Two blocks east of Main St. One block west of the high school
> 
> Dead center between the old and new post offices
> 
> We'll be closed on Monday
> 
> g"
> 
> --
> Joe Campbell
> 
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote: 
> 
> =============
> Since my name has been dragged into this discussion, I assume my thoughts have some relevance.
> Private E-mail between friends has a reasonable expectation  of privacy. E-mail between colleagues may also have a similar expectation. Acquaintances might also receive this privilege. Threats of public violence from a total stranger are for me to do with as I will and should have no expectation of being held in confidence. I elected to make it public on this list and as such Donovan has every right to refer to it if he so chooses. It is now public domain. Just because a person wishes their ill considered outburst had been kept secret does not make it a "private comment." What's "funny" is the inability to ignore the jabs and let the matter die.
> 
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.
> 
> 
>> Donovan writes: "Finally, I am disappointed by your action of posting private 
>> emails on the V. I think that undermines trust and the nature in which people 
>> post emails." 
>> 
>> This is funny given that Donovan is one of a bunch of people who likes to 
>> repeat my private comment to Crabtree!
>> 
>> --
>> Joe Campbell
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