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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The rash threat that Donovan referenced
was sent to me and subsequently posted to the Vision on 05/18/2006. Two
years ago to the day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please note that the "private e-mail" I was
responding to and that Mr. Campbell has thoughtfully reprinted here is dated
09/01/07. (odd how that was carelessly left off) Attached is the post in its
entirity with all of the lead up from the V:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>From: "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>><BR>To: "Joe
Campbell" <<A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A>><BR>Subject: Re:
OFFLIST: [Vision2020] Challenge to Crabtree<BR>Date: Saturday, September 01,
2007 8:12 AM</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'll be looking forward to it, tough guy. Just in case you navigate as
poorly as you make a point...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The Lock Shop<BR>227 East Third St.<BR>Moscow, Idaho 83843</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Corner of Third and Jefferson </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In Post Office Square Shopping Center with Marketime Drug and Safari
Pearl</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Two blocks east of Main St. One block west of the high school</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dead center between the old and new post offices</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We'll be closed on Monday</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>g<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Joe Campbell" <<A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A>><BR>To: "g. crabtree"
<<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Friday, August 31, 2007 7:51 PM<BR>Subject: OFFLIST: [Vision2020] Challenge to
Crabtree</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>> I've got to get some keys made, so I'll come and see you and we'll
talk about this face to face. <BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>>
<BR>> ---- "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>> wrote:
<BR>> <BR>> =============<BR>> I'm guessing that all prospective
students of WSU's world renowned <BR>> philosophy program drop in on the V to
get a feel for my opinion with regard <BR>> to their future instructors. What
ever could I have been thinking. If the <BR>> argument you presented in the
thread I was responding to was an example of <BR>> what you think of as sound
logic, I stand by my remark.<BR>> <BR>> Now, about my job. I can't imagine
what relevant thing you might have to say <BR>> concerning it as I have never
worked for you. I am guessing that your <BR>> knowledge of the security
industry is likely to be less than nil, making <BR>> your opinion as to my
competence as valuable as a free coupon to the <BR>> Campbell logic, dog, and
pony show. But hey, prove me wrong<BR>> <BR>> It's pretty easy to make the
grandly magnanimous statement "I could have <BR>> (fill in the blank) but
because of my near God like forbearance, I <BR>> refrained. What's hard is
believing it. Especially for someone with your <BR>> limited level of self
control.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
"Joe Campbell" <<A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A>><BR>> To: "g.
crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>><BR>> Cc:
<<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:00 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Challenge to Crabtree<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Did you really say "I urge
the youth at WSU to look into disciplines that <BR>>> have<BR>>>
less potential for damaging their thought process"? Don't you think
that<BR>>> thoughtless statements like this about my JOB and livelihood
are<BR>>> irresponsible in this venue? Isn't this going too
far?<BR>>><BR>>> I remember when I had a similar opportunity to make
comments that might<BR>>> impact your way of making a living and I
passed.<BR>>><BR>>> --<BR>>> Joe
Campbell<BR>>><BR>>> ---- "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> =============<BR>>> Actually I agree with
Mr. Schwaller. I too, would be surprised if people <BR>>> in that arena
didn't use their power to influence those "beneath" them in <BR>>> a
negative way. I think that it's a bad thing and as near as I can tell
<BR>>> Mr. Schwaller is expressing no opinion either way, merely
making a <BR>>> statement. I see no indication that he thinks it's swell
because it's a <BR>>> common practice.<BR>>><BR>>> Is this an
example of the sort of logic you are offering to inflict on me <BR>>> in a
class setting? If so, not only do I decline your generous offer but I
<BR>>> urge the youth at WSU to look into disciplines that have less
potential <BR>>> for damaging their thought
process.<BR>>><BR>>>
g<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> To: "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>><BR>>>
Cc: <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>>>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:20 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Challenge to Crabtree<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> Crabtree writes:
"Save the vote in this goofy little for someone who <BR>>>> cares.
What's right isn't decided by a show of hands."<BR>>>><BR>>>>
So you agree that "Schwaller" was wrong in making the following
point:<BR>>>><BR>>>> "I'd be very surprised if anyone in the
political arena has not, at some <BR>>>> point in<BR>>>> time,
used their position to to affect the outcome of an event, or to <BR>>>>
intimidate,<BR>>>> bully, or in some way influence someone of a
"lesser" position."<BR>>>><BR>>>> You think he was being as
much of an idiot as I was being, right?<BR>>>><BR>>>> That's
my point! Thank you for helping me make it!<BR>>>><BR>>>> Or
is it that appeal to popularity is a better fallacy than two wrongs
<BR>>>> make a right?<BR>>>><BR>>>> All the best, Mr.
Joe<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> As you can see, I was responding to an
entirely different threat (one of several) that our esteemed philosopher has
made to me privately that have NOT been fodder for Vision 2020 perusal.
(the original threat was over our differing views on homosexual
marriage)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>While its true that I wasn't seriously concerned
about your original or any subsequent silly threats the fact remains that you
are trying to conflate two distinctly different incidents to make some sort of a
dishonest point. What it is I can't really tell. As I have offered before, just
say the word and I will be happy to release ALL of the off list e-mails in my
deleted items file that you have sent me over the years. In fairness these
would, like the exchange above, include my half of the correspondence as well.
This will provide a much better picture of why my opinions on you and e-mail
privacy are what they are. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On the other hand, should you prefer to end this
tiresome topic just say so and let it drop. It isn't me that is continually
bringing it up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "Donovan Arnold" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
"vision2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:36 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone
Deserves Death.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> I'm glad to hear about your view on the subject, Gary!<BR>>
<BR>> Here is a private email you sent me, showing that it is pretty clear
you did<BR>> not feel threatened.<BR>> <BR>> "I'll be looking forward
to it, tough guy. Just in case you navigate as poorly as you make a
point...<BR>> <BR>> The Lock Shop<BR>> 227 East Third St.<BR>>
Moscow, Idaho 83843<BR>> <BR>> Corner of Third and Jefferson
<BR>> <BR>> In Post Office Square Shopping Center with Marketime Drug
and Safari Pearl<BR>> <BR>> Two blocks east of Main St. One block
west of the high school<BR>> <BR>> Dead center between the old and
new post offices<BR>> <BR>> We'll be closed on
Monday<BR>> <BR>> g"<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>>
<BR>> ---- "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:
<BR>> <BR>> =============<BR>> Since my name has been dragged into this
discussion, I assume my thoughts have some relevance.<BR>> Private E-mail
between friends has a reasonable expectation of privacy. E-mail between
colleagues may also have a similar expectation. Acquaintances might also receive
this privilege. Threats of public violence from a total stranger are for me to
do with as I will and should have no expectation of being held in confidence. I
elected to make it public on this list and as such Donovan has every right to
refer to it if he so chooses. It is now public domain. Just because a person
wishes their ill considered outburst had been kept secret does not make it a
"private comment." What's "funny" is the inability to ignore the jabs and let
the matter die.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Cc: "vision2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:45 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
Everyone Deserves Death.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Donovan writes: "Finally,
I am disappointed by your action of posting private <BR>>> emails on the
V. I think that undermines trust and the nature in which people <BR>>>
post emails." <BR>>> <BR>>> This is funny given that Donovan is one
of a bunch of people who likes to <BR>>> repeat my private comment to
Crabtree!<BR>>> <BR>>> --<BR>>> Joe
Campbell<BR></FONT></BODY></HTML>