[Vision2020] Not here [was just sarcasm? no!

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Thu May 15 07:41:51 PDT 2008


I'm not taking a stance.  I merely put that information out there so 
people who care one way or the other could use it or not.

Paul

Joe Campbell wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Your post was made Wed May 14 21:05:17 PDT 2008. Earlier, Wed May 14 
> 18:53:08 PDT 2008, Donovan had already posted: “Yeah, since some of you 
> think I am 50 people using the same IP address.”
>
> I don't see much point in asking Donovan to "confirm" that he has "Cable 
> One as an internet provider." If you trust his response, why not just accept
> that all of his posts come from the same IP address, as he already said?
>
> And what conclusions can we draw from this information? Well, not much. On
> Mon May 12 06:16:56 PDT 2008 I posted the following to Donovan:
>
> “No one is saying that you've been kidnapped. And no one is saying that all 
> your posts are given by someone else. I think that either (a) some of your 
> posts come from another person or (b) the information for some of your 
> posts is sent to you and you simply cut and paste it and send it in.”
>
> Even if (a) is ruled out, (b) is still an option. And until we can find out what IP 
> address Donovan is posting from -- whether it is from his home, or a local 
> coffee shop, or a local college -- it isn't even clear that (a) is ruled out.
>
> I don't want to suggest that I've proven anything because I haven't. And 
> you're free to believe whatever you want. As for me, I find it hard to believe
> that Donovan could have written the following, in response to my question 
> about whether or not someone who believed that gays deserved the death 
> penalty is a sick individual:
>
> “It depends on if they are speaking in religious figurative terms; For example, 
> all sinners deserve death, or if they really are advocating the murder of self 
> professed homosexuals. Obviously, anyone that is advocating the actual 
> murder of someone is not mentally balanced. Someone that says, "Sinners 
> deserve death" to illustrate none of us that offend God deserve life, I think is 
> just illustrating a religious/spiritual viewpoint.”
>
> I cannot imagine Donovan writing this. In fact, I don't know of a single 
> Catholic who would write something like this. Notice there is a deliberate 
> switch to talk about deserving death, but in fact my question is phrased about 
> deserving the death penalty. This is a very unusual answer to that question.
>
> I'm actually very afraid for Donovan since the individual that I suspect is
> feeding him quotes is a sick individual in my book. I'd like to know the truth.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote: 
>
> =============
> Joe Campbell wrote:
>   
>> Please read this and compare the writing style to the other posts, and notice 
>> the lack of contractions here. A very clumsy style here -- "There is a great 
>> deal of difference between someone being discriminated against because they 
>> are here taking a job, versus that of their race" -- versus the rather breezy 
>> style of the other postings.
>>
>> Again, if anyone -- other than Christovan -- thinks I'm wrong I'd like to here it.
>>   
>>     
>
> I don't want to waste my mental resources (scarce as they sometimes are) 
> on psychoanalyzing Donovan's writing style, but I will point out that 
> you can get some idea who is posting from where by looking at the email 
> headers.  If you have an email client that actually lets you see the 
> headers (many Microsoft clients won't let you), then you will see 
> something like this (taken from my copy of the email you are referencing):
>
> >From - Wed May 14 18:02:30 2008
> X-Account-Key: account2
> X-UIDL: AFpXv9EAAIFiSCtqMwShAxFHSk8
> X-Mozilla-Status: 0011
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
> X-Mozilla-Keys:                                                                                 
> X-Apparently-To: godshatter at yahoo.com via 209.191.87.90; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:47 -0700
> X-Originating-IP: [64.126.132.9]
> Authentication-Results: mta352.mail.re4.yahoo.com  from=moscow.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
> Received: from 64.126.132.9  (EHLO trumpet.fsr.net) (64.126.132.9)
>   by mta352.mail.re4.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:45 -0700
> Received: from trumpet.fsr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> 	by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m4EMcjUJ098020;
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
> 	(envelope-from vision2020-bounces at moscow.com)
> Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net (mail-gw.fsr.net [64.126.132.22])
> 	by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m4EMciKU097901
> 	for <vision2020 at lists.fsr.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
> 	(envelope-from owner-vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net)
> Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx242.postini.com [64.18.0.162])
> 	by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.13.1/8.12.3) with SMTP id m4EMct1v068083
> 	for <vision2020 at firststepinternet.com>;
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:55 -0700 (PDT)
> 	(envelope-from donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com)
> Received: from source ([64.126.133.12]) (using TLSv1) by
> 	exprod5mx242.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; 
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 18:38:50 EDT
> Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx213.postini.com [64.18.0.72])
> 	by mx4.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id m4EMcgnB016777
> 	for <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:43 -0700 (PDT)
> 	(envelope-from donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com)
> Received: from source ([209.191.124.134]) by exprod5mx213.postini.com
> 	([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 17:38:49 CDT
> Received: (qmail 21370 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 22:38:49 -0000
> X-YMail-OSG: ZAPVG5kVM1lUEPrGYOzFp6EeN.G1LAvCqFayFRDftkoa41Vpy2XU9h1rhnJuLWs5JQ--
> Received: from [72.24.91.109] by web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 PDT
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> ....
>
>
>
> Don't let this cryptic stuff scare you.  What you want to look for is 
> the "Received:" line farthest down the list, since they go in order from 
> receiver to sender as you go down the list.  In this case, you see the 
> following:
>
>
> Received: from [72.24.91.109] by web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 PDT
>
>
>
> The IP address should be the address Donovan is posting from 
> (72.24.91.109).  The "via HTTP" part means he's connecting through the 
> web to yahoo's email client.  I don't know if he posts from home, from 
> work, from a friends place, from his neighbor's wifi connection, or if 
> he's even the one using that account, but that IP address resolves to:
>
> Non-authoritative answer:
> 109.91.24.72.in-addr.arpa    name = 91-109.72-24-cpe.cableone.net.
>
> This is an IP owned by cableone.net, which appears to have connections 
> in the Lewiston area but not in Moscow (unless their web page is out of 
> date).
>
> I've spot-checked a few messages, and so far all I've seen originate 
> from this IP address.
>
> That address could be an endpoint of an onion routing network like tor, 
> but if that were the case I'd expect it to change frequently.
>
> Donovan, can you confirm that you have Cable One as an internet 
> provider?  Not that it's any of our business, but it might help us solve 
> this "riddle".
>
> Paul
>
>
>   




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