[Vision2020] Not here [was just sarcasm? no!
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Thu May 15 07:41:51 PDT 2008
I'm not taking a stance. I merely put that information out there so
people who care one way or the other could use it or not.
Paul
Joe Campbell wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Your post was made Wed May 14 21:05:17 PDT 2008. Earlier, Wed May 14
> 18:53:08 PDT 2008, Donovan had already posted: “Yeah, since some of you
> think I am 50 people using the same IP address.”
>
> I don't see much point in asking Donovan to "confirm" that he has "Cable
> One as an internet provider." If you trust his response, why not just accept
> that all of his posts come from the same IP address, as he already said?
>
> And what conclusions can we draw from this information? Well, not much. On
> Mon May 12 06:16:56 PDT 2008 I posted the following to Donovan:
>
> “No one is saying that you've been kidnapped. And no one is saying that all
> your posts are given by someone else. I think that either (a) some of your
> posts come from another person or (b) the information for some of your
> posts is sent to you and you simply cut and paste it and send it in.”
>
> Even if (a) is ruled out, (b) is still an option. And until we can find out what IP
> address Donovan is posting from -- whether it is from his home, or a local
> coffee shop, or a local college -- it isn't even clear that (a) is ruled out.
>
> I don't want to suggest that I've proven anything because I haven't. And
> you're free to believe whatever you want. As for me, I find it hard to believe
> that Donovan could have written the following, in response to my question
> about whether or not someone who believed that gays deserved the death
> penalty is a sick individual:
>
> “It depends on if they are speaking in religious figurative terms; For example,
> all sinners deserve death, or if they really are advocating the murder of self
> professed homosexuals. Obviously, anyone that is advocating the actual
> murder of someone is not mentally balanced. Someone that says, "Sinners
> deserve death" to illustrate none of us that offend God deserve life, I think is
> just illustrating a religious/spiritual viewpoint.”
>
> I cannot imagine Donovan writing this. In fact, I don't know of a single
> Catholic who would write something like this. Notice there is a deliberate
> switch to talk about deserving death, but in fact my question is phrased about
> deserving the death penalty. This is a very unusual answer to that question.
>
> I'm actually very afraid for Donovan since the individual that I suspect is
> feeding him quotes is a sick individual in my book. I'd like to know the truth.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> =============
> Joe Campbell wrote:
>
>> Please read this and compare the writing style to the other posts, and notice
>> the lack of contractions here. A very clumsy style here -- "There is a great
>> deal of difference between someone being discriminated against because they
>> are here taking a job, versus that of their race" -- versus the rather breezy
>> style of the other postings.
>>
>> Again, if anyone -- other than Christovan -- thinks I'm wrong I'd like to here it.
>>
>>
>
> I don't want to waste my mental resources (scarce as they sometimes are)
> on psychoanalyzing Donovan's writing style, but I will point out that
> you can get some idea who is posting from where by looking at the email
> headers. If you have an email client that actually lets you see the
> headers (many Microsoft clients won't let you), then you will see
> something like this (taken from my copy of the email you are referencing):
>
> >From - Wed May 14 18:02:30 2008
> X-Account-Key: account2
> X-UIDL: AFpXv9EAAIFiSCtqMwShAxFHSk8
> X-Mozilla-Status: 0011
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
> X-Mozilla-Keys:
> X-Apparently-To: godshatter at yahoo.com via 209.191.87.90; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:47 -0700
> X-Originating-IP: [64.126.132.9]
> Authentication-Results: mta352.mail.re4.yahoo.com from=moscow.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
> Received: from 64.126.132.9 (EHLO trumpet.fsr.net) (64.126.132.9)
> by mta352.mail.re4.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:45 -0700
> Received: from trumpet.fsr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m4EMcjUJ098020;
> Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
> (envelope-from vision2020-bounces at moscow.com)
> Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net (mail-gw.fsr.net [64.126.132.22])
> by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m4EMciKU097901
> for <vision2020 at lists.fsr.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
> (envelope-from owner-vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net)
> Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx242.postini.com [64.18.0.162])
> by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.13.1/8.12.3) with SMTP id m4EMct1v068083
> for <vision2020 at firststepinternet.com>;
> Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:55 -0700 (PDT)
> (envelope-from donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com)
> Received: from source ([64.126.133.12]) (using TLSv1) by
> exprod5mx242.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP;
> Wed, 14 May 2008 18:38:50 EDT
> Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx213.postini.com [64.18.0.72])
> by mx4.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id m4EMcgnB016777
> for <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:43 -0700 (PDT)
> (envelope-from donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com)
> Received: from source ([209.191.124.134]) by exprod5mx213.postini.com
> ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 17:38:49 CDT
> Received: (qmail 21370 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 22:38:49 -0000
> X-YMail-OSG: ZAPVG5kVM1lUEPrGYOzFp6EeN.G1LAvCqFayFRDftkoa41Vpy2XU9h1rhnJuLWs5JQ--
> Received: from [72.24.91.109] by web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;
> Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 PDT
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> ....
>
>
>
> Don't let this cryptic stuff scare you. What you want to look for is
> the "Received:" line farthest down the list, since they go in order from
> receiver to sender as you go down the list. In this case, you see the
> following:
>
>
> Received: from [72.24.91.109] by web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;
> Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 PDT
>
>
>
> The IP address should be the address Donovan is posting from
> (72.24.91.109). The "via HTTP" part means he's connecting through the
> web to yahoo's email client. I don't know if he posts from home, from
> work, from a friends place, from his neighbor's wifi connection, or if
> he's even the one using that account, but that IP address resolves to:
>
> Non-authoritative answer:
> 109.91.24.72.in-addr.arpa name = 91-109.72-24-cpe.cableone.net.
>
> This is an IP owned by cableone.net, which appears to have connections
> in the Lewiston area but not in Moscow (unless their web page is out of
> date).
>
> I've spot-checked a few messages, and so far all I've seen originate
> from this IP address.
>
> That address could be an endpoint of an onion routing network like tor,
> but if that were the case I'd expect it to change frequently.
>
> Donovan, can you confirm that you have Cable One as an internet
> provider? Not that it's any of our business, but it might help us solve
> this "riddle".
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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