[Vision2020] Not here [was just sarcasm? no!

Thu May 15 05:09:33 PDT 2008

Paul,

Your post was made Wed May 14 21:05:17 PDT 2008. Earlier, Wed May 14 
18:53:08 PDT 2008, Donovan had already posted: “Yeah, since some of you 
think I am 50 people using the same IP address.”

I don't see much point in asking Donovan to "confirm" that he has "Cable 
One as an internet provider." If you trust his response, why not just accept
that all of his posts come from the same IP address, as he already said?

And what conclusions can we draw from this information? Well, not much. On
Mon May 12 06:16:56 PDT 2008 I posted the following to Donovan:

“No one is saying that you've been kidnapped. And no one is saying that all 
your posts are given by someone else. I think that either (a) some of your 
posts come from another person or (b) the information for some of your 
posts is sent to you and you simply cut and paste it and send it in.”

Even if (a) is ruled out, (b) is still an option. And until we can find out what IP 
address Donovan is posting from -- whether it is from his home, or a local 
coffee shop, or a local college -- it isn't even clear that (a) is ruled out.

I don't want to suggest that I've proven anything because I haven't. And 
you're free to believe whatever you want. As for me, I find it hard to believe
that Donovan could have written the following, in response to my question 
about whether or not someone who believed that gays deserved the death 
penalty is a sick individual:

“It depends on if they are speaking in religious figurative terms; For example, 
all sinners deserve death, or if they really are advocating the murder of self 
professed homosexuals. Obviously, anyone that is advocating the actual 
murder of someone is not mentally balanced. Someone that says, "Sinners 
deserve death" to illustrate none of us that offend God deserve life, I think is 
just illustrating a religious/spiritual viewpoint.”

I cannot imagine Donovan writing this. In fact, I don't know of a single 
Catholic who would write something like this. Notice there is a deliberate 
switch to talk about deserving death, but in fact my question is phrased about 
deserving the death penalty. This is a very unusual answer to that question.

I'm actually very afraid for Donovan since the individual that I suspect is
feeding him quotes is a sick individual in my book. I'd like to know the truth.

--
Joe Campbell

---- Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============
Joe Campbell wrote:
> Please read this and compare the writing style to the other posts, and notice 
> the lack of contractions here. A very clumsy style here -- "There is a great 
> deal of difference between someone being discriminated against because they 
> are here taking a job, versus that of their race" -- versus the rather breezy 
> style of the other postings.
>
> Again, if anyone -- other than Christovan -- thinks I'm wrong I'd like to here it.
>   

I don't want to waste my mental resources (scarce as they sometimes are) 
on psychoanalyzing Donovan's writing style, but I will point out that 
you can get some idea who is posting from where by looking at the email 
headers.  If you have an email client that actually lets you see the 
headers (many Microsoft clients won't let you), then you will see 
something like this (taken from my copy of the email you are referencing):

>From - Wed May 14 18:02:30 2008
X-Account-Key: account2
X-UIDL: AFpXv9EAAIFiSCtqMwShAxFHSk8
X-Mozilla-Status: 0011
X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
X-Mozilla-Keys:                                                                                 
X-Apparently-To: godshatter at yahoo.com via 209.191.87.90; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:47 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [64.126.132.9]
Authentication-Results: mta352.mail.re4.yahoo.com  from=moscow.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 64.126.132.9  (EHLO trumpet.fsr.net) (64.126.132.9)
  by mta352.mail.re4.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:45 -0700
Received: from trumpet.fsr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m4EMcjUJ098020;
	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
	(envelope-from vision2020-bounces at moscow.com)
Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net (mail-gw.fsr.net [64.126.132.22])
	by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m4EMciKU097901
	for <vision2020 at lists.fsr.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
	(envelope-from owner-vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net)
Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx242.postini.com [64.18.0.162])
	by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.13.1/8.12.3) with SMTP id m4EMct1v068083
	for <vision2020 at firststepinternet.com>;
	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:55 -0700 (PDT)
	(envelope-from donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com)
Received: from source ([64.126.133.12]) (using TLSv1) by
	exprod5mx242.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; 
	Wed, 14 May 2008 18:38:50 EDT
Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx213.postini.com [64.18.0.72])
	by mx4.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id m4EMcgnB016777
	for <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:43 -0700 (PDT)
	(envelope-from donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com)
Received: from source ([209.191.124.134]) by exprod5mx213.postini.com
	([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 17:38:49 CDT
Received: (qmail 21370 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 22:38:49 -0000
X-YMail-OSG: ZAPVG5kVM1lUEPrGYOzFp6EeN.G1LAvCqFayFRDftkoa41Vpy2XU9h1rhnJuLWs5JQ--
Received: from [72.24.91.109] by web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;
	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 PDT
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
....

Don't let this cryptic stuff scare you.  What you want to look for is 
the "Received:" line farthest down the list, since they go in order from 
receiver to sender as you go down the list.  In this case, you see the 
following:

Received: from [72.24.91.109] by web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;
	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 PDT

The IP address should be the address Donovan is posting from 
(72.24.91.109).  The "via HTTP" part means he's connecting through the 
web to yahoo's email client.  I don't know if he posts from home, from 
work, from a friends place, from his neighbor's wifi connection, or if 
he's even the one using that account, but that IP address resolves to:

Non-authoritative answer:
109.91.24.72.in-addr.arpa    name = 91-109.72-24-cpe.cableone.net.

This is an IP owned by cableone.net, which appears to have connections 
in the Lewiston area but not in Moscow (unless their web page is out of 
date).

I've spot-checked a few messages, and so far all I've seen originate 
from this IP address.

That address could be an endpoint of an onion routing network like tor, 
but if that were the case I'd expect it to change frequently.

Donovan, can you confirm that you have Cable One as an internet 
provider?  Not that it's any of our business, but it might help us solve 
this "riddle".

Paul