[Vision2020] The Fetus is Not a Baby and is not a Person

[Joe Campbell]

I'm not familiar with it, Ralph. But thanks for the reference!

I should be clear that the point of my post was not to slam Christianity -- 
indeed, I am a Christian.

I just wanted to instill a little humility in Dougovan and note that no world-
view -- none to my knowledge, at least -- is without its problems. Maybe he'll 
lighten up a bit, and reflect on his own notable transgressions, rather than 
persist in always throwing the first stone, so to speak.

I also want to go on record as saying that Nick Gier is not anti-Christian and 
that his body of academic work is substantive and impressive. To say 
otherwise, is not to know what one is talking about and to degrade all 
philosophers on the Palouse, since Nick is clearly among the best. 

I've never been offended by anything that Nick has said -- which is not to say 
that I've always agreed with him! I would say the same about you, Ralph!

Everyone needs a good challenge. But everyone needs respect, as well. I 
applaud respectful challenges, like mine, and Nick's, and Ralph's and hope 
that Christovan will drop the negative rhetoric from here on out.

Best, Joe

---- Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote: 

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Joe and others, I suppose you're familiar with Bart D. Ehrman's  
latest book, God's Problem; How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most  
Important Questions---Why We Suffer.

Ralph



Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net wrote:

Fri May 9 06:43:19 PDT 2008

Dalovan,

So God is not all powerful? He is a victim, able to be taken over by  
mere
humans? There was nothing He could have done about it?

-- The Devil's Advocate

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---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Chas,

   Humans have free will. They were the ones that choose and did the  
torturing. Humans are the ones that demanded the sacrifice. I don't  
think God was to blame.

   You just were talking to me earlier about the fallacies of  
thinking, that if you cannot see it, it must not be there. I think  
this is the case with you. You don't physically see God, so you don't  
believe in him, and you don't see the situation, so you disagree with  
the solution.

   God sacrificed himself , his own flesh, for you, not because he  
was a fool, but because it was the ultimate sacrifice, and the only  
one that humans could understand and see.

   Best Regards,

   Donovan