[Vision2020] The Fetus is Not a Baby and is not a Person

[Chasuk]

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> God is the big prick when we were the ones that tortured and made his Son
> suffer? Something is messed up with that reasoning.

If I planned to have my children tortured, then I would be a big
prick, even if I arranged for Guido to do the actual torturing.  Heck,
I would even have an excuse, being a mortal creature with limited
understanding.  But God supposedly knows everything, and the best plan
he could come up with for our redemption involved the torture of his
only son.

But there is no way that I'm ever going to convince you, nor you me,
so we should probably table this conversation.  Note that I find it an
interesting topic, but it causes passions to run unacceptably high.  I
love the message of Jesus, but I dislike the attached mythology.  I
try to live by Christ's precepts, and it pains me that I always fail.
However, I partly blame the magical edifice.  The edifice always seems
to get in the way of the message.

Chas