[Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Mon May 5 07:00:49 PDT 2008
Suggestion: Don't wait for the movie. Read the document!
The Immigration and Nationality Act
http://tinyurl.com/2vo84l
No pictutes in this one, Arnie.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
> "P.S. Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or American
> citizens. If you disagree with that, go ahead and change the
> Constitution -- it's in there, plain as day."
>
> Not in the Constitution, as such, but found in a misinterpretation of a
> portion of the 14th amendment. At the time that this amendment was
> ratified (1868) the U.S. had no immigration policy. The clause Mr. Schou
> refers to was intended to address the status of freed slaves and
> overturn the Dred Scott decision. According to amendment Co-author Ohio
> Senator Jacob Howard:
>
> "Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject
> to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a
> citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons
> born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the
> families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the
> Government of the United States, but will include every other class of
> persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all
> doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States.
> This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and
> legislation of this country.
>
>
>
> Clearly, this amendment was not intended to extend legal status to
> children born in this country by legal aliens much less aliens who are
> already breaking U.S. law by overstaying a visa or making a illegal
> boarder crossing. This was confirmed by the supreme court in 1884. No
> change to the Constitution would be required to end the practice of
> extending citizenship to the offspring of aliens in this country
> illegally.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate
>
>
> Donovan --
>
> You are misinformed.
>
> It's frequently, and correctly, been ruled that illegal immigrants
> can't be denied emergency health care, but the requirements to prove
> citizenship for federally-funded services like Medicaid and TANF are
> onerous at best*. In order to get either, you have to provide
> documentation of both citizenship and identity: in other words, a
> birth certificate and a driver's license.
>
> -- ACS
>
> P.S. Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or American
> citizens. If you disagree with that, go ahead and change the
> Constitution -- it's in there, plain as day.
>
> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Donovan Arnold
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Rev. Keely is being dishonest with her statements and intentionally
> > deceptive.
> >
> > Illegal aliens, the same as legal immigrants, in the US, are legally
> > entitled to get education, emergency medical services, welfare, low
> income
> > housing, and other tax supported services intended to go to US
> citizens. She
> > knows courts have ruled we cannot deny these services based on legal
> status.
> >
> > So you can see her statement
> >
> > "The consulates do not exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to
> > taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason of
> their
> > immigration status, legally entitled.",
> >
> > is a big meaningless pile of sh*t worded in a manner to make you
> swallow it
> > down that my statement was false, when she knows it wasn't.
> >
> > The main function of Mexican Consulates is to get illegal aliens
> access to
> > US taxpayer supported services. I said nothing about the illegality of
> the
> > entitlement.
> >
> > Each day 1000 illegal aliens alone visit the LA Mexican Consulate to
> obtain
> > "ID cards" which they force local government, through federal law, to
> except
> > in place of US driver's licenses and Visa, which only illegal
> immigrants do
> > not have. This allows the people here illegally from Mexico to access
> state
> > and federal services.
> >
> > Keely is aware of this fact. She is also aware that Consulates provide
> legal
> > and financial assistance to illegal aliens so they can remain in the
> US. It
> > is also known that the consulates provide pamphlets on how to avoid
> > detection in the US while here illegally and how to cross the boarder
> > illegally and not get caught.
> >
> > I am guessing that MOST readers on the V, are not so naive as to
> believe
> > that the reason consulates exist, and they get tens or hundreds of
> thousands
> > of visitors by illegal aliens each years, is to show support for
> diplomatic
> > and trade relations with the US and Mexico.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> >
> >
> > keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > As politely as possible, let me respond to Donovan as someone who has
> spent
> > a lot of time in the Mexican consulate in Seattle.
> >
> > Bulls**t.
> >
> > The consulates do not exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to
> > taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason of
> their
> > immigration status, legally entitled. Suggesting that they do is
> > recklessly, maliciously untrue. But it is entirely understandable
> coming
> > from someone as misinformed on the issue as Donovan, and as dense as
> Bill
> > Sali.
> >
> > Keely
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:01:27 -0700
> > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > To: joekc at adelphia.net
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Are you serious? Or are you joking? If you have been anywhere outside
> the
> > protective bubble of a University, you must be joking.
> >
> > First off, the only reason that Mexican Consulates exist is to get
> illegal
> > aliens access to US government services, like welfare, unemployment
> > benefits, food stamps, diver's licenses, gas vouchers, low income
> housing,
> > legal aid, and jobs, that would otherwise go to US citizens.
> >
> > Second, you are wrong that Americans would not take farm work if the
> farm
> > work paid a livable wage. If you believe that ANY workers should be
> allowed
> > to be paid a sub-livable wage, than you sir, need to rethink your
> outlook on
> > the value of a person.
> >
> > Third, your statements reveal your racists and stereotyped beliefs.
> Illegal
> > aliens are not all a bunch of dumb, idiotic potato pickers making $4
> an
> > hour. Most of them are bright, intelligent, hard working inventive
> people,
> > certainly more so than the bottom 1/3 of US workers they are competing
> with
> > in the US job market. They work in the hospitality, construction,
> > manufacturing, agriculture, automotive, and almost every other
> category in
> > the below middle class job market. Having 40,000 illegal immigrants in
> the
> > state willing and able to work in the jobs lower class citizens can
> only do
> > hurts their wages. Why does a business only pay a house cleaner $10 an
> hour
> > instead of $12? Because he can hire 30 others willing to do the work
> for the
> > $10. Same goes for meat packers, lawn services, farm workers, and
> other
> > services and industries.
> >
> > Joe, you don't live in the real world. You aren't forced to find a job
> > making $10 an hour, and when you apply you are waiting with 20 others
> that
> > are willing to do the same job for $9 and have 20 years experience,
> most of
> > them not here legally? How many times have you had that happen to you,
> Joe?
> > I bet none. You live in the fantasy world where illegals are bunch of
> dumb
> > educated idiots that can only pick potatoes and tomatoes for $4. They
> are
> > aren't carpenters, drivers, maids, painters, lawn care providers,
> > manufacturers, and in other jobs reducing livable wages for the bottom
> 1/3
> > of the work US workforce.
> > Real wages are on a decline, and most US citizens are suffering as a
> result
> > of illegal immigrants being allowed to work in the US for lower wages,
> and
> > sometimes illegal wages.
> >
> > Oppose Slavery, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration. Support livable wages
> for
> > all US workers, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
> > Donovan,
> >
> > How on earth will Sali's efforts "keep illegal activities and illegal
> > immigrants
> > out of the state"? For that matter, what can the Mexican government do
> to
> > prove that they "won't aid illegal aliens" and earn a Mexican
> consulate
> > here?
> >
> > And just for the record, I'm sure that there are plenty of folks in
> Idaho
> > and
> > Washington who would be willing to pay you sub-minimum wage to pick
> fruit.
> > The problem is not with the Mexican immigrants, and they aren't taking
> away
> > jobs that would otherwise go to American citizens.
> >
> > --
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > ---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > I am voting to reelect Bill Sali precisely because he is attempting to
> keep
> > illegal activities and illegal immigrants out of the state. Idaho has
> enough
> > problems getting enough funding for its schools, and providing other
> social
> > and medical services. Having to provide for thousands of others who
> are not
> > legal residents is to much of a burden for poor Idahoans. An influx of
> labor
> > also reduces wages, something we also can ill afford in Idaho.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> > Tom Hansen wrote:
> > Just when you thought that Bill Sali couldn't get more ignorant, I am
> here
> > to tell you . . .
> >
> > >From today's (May 1, 2008) Spokesman Review -
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
> > Sali seeks to delay Mexican consulate
> > Todd Dvorak
> > Associated Press
> > May 1, 2008
> >
> > BOISE – Rep. Bill Sali, R-Idaho, is urging Secretary of State
> Condoleezza
> > Rice to hold off opening a Mexican consulate in Idaho until the
> government
> > can show the office won't aid illegal aliens.
> >
> > Sali, a conservative first-term congressman, sent Rice a letter
> Wednesday
> > saying Idaho residents deserve guarantees that Mexican consular
> offices
> > will not help illegal aliens obtain identification cards that can be
> used
> > to receive government services or other benefits.
> >
> > "Our government has the moral and constitutional duty to take into
> > consideration how foreign consulates affect our fellow citizens here
> in
> > our own country," Sali wrote in the letter to Rice that was made
> available
> > to news media.
> >
> > "While I appreciate the important role that the Mexican and other
> foreign
> > consulates play in facilitating trade and assisting their citizens in
> > distress just as our foreign consulates do, that is not the issue at
> stake
> > here," he added.
> >
> > Sali asserted that the State Department has done little to assure
> > residents that a consular office would not be used to aid illegal
> > immigration.
> >
> > The State Department did not return phone messages from the Associated
> > Press on Wednesday.
> >
> > In March, Sali received a letter from the State Department saying an
> > application for a consular office in Boise is pending.
> >
> > Idaho is one of several states without a Mexican consulate, but a
> grass-
> > roots effort to open one has been under way for several years.
> Supporters
> > say they have collected about 10,000 signatures on a petition
> requesting a
> > Mexican consular presence in the state.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers in
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> >
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> > 2007)
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