[Vision2020] Uninsured adults 25 percent more likely to die

[Tom Hansen]

I suggest that you contact Sergeant Oswalt and quote Paragraph 2-3 (Age 
Requirement for Enlistment), Army regulation 601-210 (Active and Reserve 
Components Enlistment Program) to him, where it states:

"2–3. Age
a. Applicant is eligible for enlistment if applicant is not less than 18 
years of age and has not reached his or her 42nd birthday, or is not less 
than 17 years of age and has not reached their 18th birthday and the DD 
Form 1966 parental/guardian consent for enlistment has been completed. All 
NPS Regular Army and RC applicants must enlist and ship prior to their 
42nd birthday and be eligible for regular or non-regular retirement by age 
62."

It says NOTHING about prior service.  In fact, Chapter 2, AR 601-210, 
deals strictly with "Enlistment in the Regular Army, Army Reserve, or Army 
National Guard for Nonprior Service Applicants".

I have attached AR 601-210 to this email for your browsing and reading 
pleasure.

As far as becoming a commissioned officer without prior service (either 
enlisted or commissioned), the Army ROTC program here at UI is full of 
them.

If you truly are interested in enlisting, here is a starting point:

http://www.goarmy.com

Let me know if you need any further assistance.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho 



> Tom,
>    
>   First, it is disgusting that any Hospital would charge $45,000 for 
something. Obviously,
nobody can afford that, and no Doctor is worth that for a procedure.
>    
>   Second, many places turn down Tri-Care. And it doesn't cover 
everything. 
>    
>   Third, I have tried to get commissioned, I did not qualify because I 
do not have
previously enlistment. I missed it by about 3 months. The extension in age 
is only for
officers that have previous service. I had a long conversation about this 
with Sgt. Oswalt
who the recruiting expert for Idaho. He is stationed in Boise, If you 
doubt me, look him
up. 
>    
>   Finally, the recruiting station is not in the Mall anymore, they were 
kicked out by the
PEM management.
>    
>   But, if you can get me in Hansen, I would join. 
>    
>   Best Regards,
>    
>   Donovan
> 
> Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>   The best health care program that I am aware of is the one to which I 
am a 
> part of . . . Tri-Care.
> 
> I pay no premiums. Yet, I have been a member since July of 1989. The 
> most I have ever paid for a medical prescription is $9.00 (and that was 
> only once).
> 
> In June of 2006, my spouse was hospitalzed at Gritman (10 days in ICU 
and 
> 14 days in CCU). The total bill came to over $45,000 of which I paid 
> $1,200 out of pocket.
> 
> A couple years before that I was hospitalized with a double hernia. The 
> total bill on that came to approximately $12,000 of which I paid $600 
out 
> of pocket.
> 
> Not only that, but after my spouse was discharged from Gritman, TriCare 
> informed me that we had satisfied the "deductible" portion of our annual 
> health care cycle. As such, subsequent prescriptions (through the 
> remainder of the fiscal year) were FREE.
> 
> "Where can I sign up for such a great health care program?" you ask.
> 
> Quite simple, Arnold. It is a simple two-step process.
> 
> 1) Enlist into military service.
> 
> 2) Retire from military service.
> 
> "Oh, no, Tom. I am too old to enlist," you say.
> 
> No, you're not, Donnie-boy.
> 
> Thanks to the Department of Defense lowering the standards for entry 
into 
> military service, coupled with an extended 20-year retirement age (from 
55 
> to 62), you can sign up Monday.
> 
> I'll be going over to the mall later today, Donnie-boy. Should I stop by 
> the recruiter's office and have them pencil yo uin for 9:00 Monday?
> 
> Tom-Tom Handson
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> 
> 
> > Keely,
> > 
> > I don't need to see the impacts of not having insurance, I experience 
> it. I don't need a
> government study to tell me that not having medical care causes poor 
> health. That is a no
> brainer.
> > 
> > What we need are either no government subsidies for doctors and 
> hospitals that charge
> $300 an hour, or we need tighter regulation of how much a doctor can 
> charge when he/she is
> working in a tax supported building who got their degree on a tax 
> supported education. 
> > 
> > No reasonable person honestly thinks he or she is worth $300 an hour. 
> That is
> ridiculous. Nobody can afford that unless you are rich.
> > 
> > Health insurance companies discriminate extensively, limit coverage 
> more extensively,
> and charge far more than the below average income person can afford. 
> > 
> > The other problem with health insurance companies is that they charge 
> monthly, and poor
> people cannot always afford to pay each month. 
> > 
> > But I say, what is the point of getting insurance, it doesn't cover 
> anything most people
> need. I just cannot get health insurance for anything I really need. 
> > 
> > We would be better off banning health insurance for everyone, then 
> trying to get
> everyone to have it. Then Doctors and Hospitals would be forced to 
charge 
> reasonable rates
> that an open and free market could afford, or have zero clients trying 
to 
> charge $6000 a
> visit. It is only because the government has legalized exploitation of 
the 
> people that
> Hospitals and Doctors can exploit people that are sick, injured, or in 
> need or care. And I
> won't even get into the Health Insurance Companies, or the 
pharmaceutical 
> companies that
> seem to invent illnesses to sell their legalized drug pushing. 
> > 
> > Now what they do is charge is $4000 an hour and come down on the price 
> for those that
> have health insurance, even less is they have medicaid or medicare.
> > 
> > Hospitals destroy poor people everyday financially because those 
> without health
> insurance cannot afford the higher rates that Hospitals and Doctors 
charge 
> people that
> cannot afford health coverage. I think it highly immoral to charge the 
> poor that cannot
> afford health insurance a higher rate than then wealthier people that 
can 
> afford health
> insurance for the EXACT same service. And I cannot see why Liberals in 
> Moscow support that
> policy, that even Gritman holds.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Donovan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > keely emerinemix wrote:
> > .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { 
> FONT-SIZE: 10pt; 
> FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Goodness, "Donovan," you sound more and more like 
> a Courtney-ite
> Libertarian every day. 
> > 
> > I'm sorry that you fail to see that while all of us die, the poor 
among 
> us die earlier of
> things that generally don't kill the rich among us. I don't know what's 
> more pitiful --
> that you can't see that, or that you don't give a damn.
> > 
> > Keely
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:05:07 -0700
> > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > To: nickgier at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uninsured adults 25 percent more likely to 
die
> > 
> > Interesting study because I always thought we all had an equal chance 
> of dying, 100%.
> > 
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Donovan
> > 
> > nickgier at adelphia.net wrote:
> > Families USA Study Shows How Many Die Because They Lack Health 
> Insurance - 03/26/08,
> Workers Independent News
> > 
> > A first-ever report breaks down the death rate of the uninsured state-
by-
> state, and finds
> that the uninsured are more likely to die sooner than the insured. Jesse 
> Russell reports:
> > 
> > Families USA has finished the first-ever study breaking down state by 
> state how many die
> every year due to a lack of health insurance. So far the organization 
has 
> completed
> studies in 13 of the 50 states, and on Tuesday held a conference call 
> regarding the
> results in Wisconsin. According to Families USA, 10.7 percent of those 
> between the ages of
> 25 and 64 living in Wisconsin are uninsured and they estimate that 
> approximately 250
> Wisconsinites died in 2006 due to being uninsured. Dr. Barbara Horner-
> Ibler, medical
> director at the Bread of Healing Clinic in Milwaukee said that it 
isn’t 
> just a problem
> of the uninsured, but also of insurance holders with deductibles that 
are 
> too high:
> > 
> > [Horner-Ibler]: "We also have the issue now of not just the uninsured, 
> but patients who
> have high deductible plans who are delaying care because they do not 
have 
> access and the
> access that they do have is much too expensive for them to be able to 
> afford on their
> budget."
> > 
> > According to the study, which covered 30 years of statistics, 
uninsured 
> adults are more
> than three times as likely to delay seeking medical care and are 25 
> percent more likely to
> die prematurely than adults with health insurance.
> > 
> > 
> > =======================================================
> > List services made available by First Step Internet, 
> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. 
> > http://www.fsr.net 
> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> > =======================================================
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try 
> it now.
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > How well do you know your celebrity gossip? Talk celebrity smackdowns 
> here.
> =======================================================
> > List services made available by First Step Internet, 
> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. 
> > http://www.fsr.net 
> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> > =======================================================
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for 
> Yahoo! users and
> friends.
> 
> 
> "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers in 
chat-
> room forums are neither brave nor clever." 
> 
> - Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21,
> 2007)
> 
> ---------------------------------------------
> This message was sent by First Step Internet.
> http://www.fsr.com/
> 
> 
> =======================================================
> List services made available by First Step Internet, 
> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. 
> http://www.fsr.net 
> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> =======================================================
> 
>        
> ---------------------------------
> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster 
Total Access, No
Cost.


"People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers in chat-
room forums are neither brave nor clever." 

- Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21,
2007)

---------------------------------------------
This message was sent by First Step Internet.
           http://www.fsr.com/
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: AR_601_210.pdf
Type: application/pdf
Size: 597469 bytes
Desc: not available
Url : http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20080330/680a0c10/attachment-0001.pdf