[Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 yearoldinArizona
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Sat Mar 22 22:07:50 PDT 2008
Yes, of course. I was being facetious, but you are exactly right.
And for those who really want to understand the idea of allegiance and true compassion, let me recommend Elie Wiesel's book, Night, which was reissued several years ago. You, too, Donovan. I'm sure Betsy can get it for you if you ask.
Sue H.
----- Original Message -----
From: Betsy Dickow
To: Sue Hovey
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 yearoldinArizona
I was referring to the ship that was turned back when the US would not accept the refugees...referencing Sue's comment about the wandering boat.
Betsy
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue Hovey
To: Donovan Arnold ; Betsy Dickow ; 'vision2020'
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 yearoldinArizona
Good Lord, Donovan, read the whole thing and then respond to it--or not. I am well aware of the difference between refuses and unable......
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Betsy Dickow ; 'vision2020'
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 yearoldinArizona
"And there are thousands of babies born in this country each day who are, in fact, citizens, who cannot say the pledge."--SueH
LOL. There is a difference between refuses and unable. Children cannot consent, so they cannot refuse or accept.
"This really happened in WWII, but the poor Jews were sent back to Germany to die in gas chambers."--Betsy Dickow
What a load of baloney. The USA did not send Jews to Germany to get gassed by Hitler because they refused the pledge. The pledge wasn't even official under after WWII.
Bottom line is here, if you don't care about the country that protects you, go live in one that you will.
Best Regards,
Donovan
Betsy Dickow <betsyd at turbonet.com> wrote:
This really happened in WWII, but the poor Jews were sent back to Germany to die in gas chambers.
Sorry for the grim reminder.
Betsy
----- Original Message -----
From: bookpeople of moscow
To: betsyd at turbonet.com
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 year oldinArizona
And there are thousands of babies born in this country each day who are, in fact, citizens, who cannot say the pledge. When they are old enough we could have a sorting process whereby those who say it get a stamp of citizenship and those who refuse get sent off to one of those 100s countries you mention. Of course, if they aren't wanted there we could just keep them on some ship and let them float from port to port--sort of modern day Philip Nolans. (Remember--THE MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY) And Geo. Bush wouldn't even have to build a fence to keep them out. Simple solutions for ..............................
SueH
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Tom Hansen ; Saundra Lund ; 'Garrett Clevenger' ; 'Vision 2020'
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 year oldin Arizona
I think everyone that refuses the pledge should not be allowed citizenship. If you don't like this country, there are 100s of others to choose from.
Best Regards,
Donovan
Tom Hansen <idahotom at hotmail.com> wrote:
"The Pledge of Allegiance" as acknowledged and honored by most of us (myself included) . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjZj4NY7EM
Another Pledge of Allegiance reflective of others among us . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGwssbm2V5E
You make the call, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
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> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:18:39 -0700
> From: sslund_2007 at verizon.net
> To: garrettmc at verizon.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 year old in Arizona
>
> Hi Garrett,
>
> Don't worry -- you didn't miss anything, I'm sorry to say :-( I really
> liked Roger's forward about Attitude and so was disappointed to read the
> forwarded new Pledge of Allegiance School Prayer :-( It was nothing more
> than yet another Christian refusing to accept that we've got non-Christian
> kids in public schools whose faith is just as important to them as Christian
> views are to Christians.
>
>
> Loving My Delete Key,
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> ~ Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus
> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
> author.*****
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Garrett Clevenger
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:11 AM
> To: Vision 2020
> Subject: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 year old in
> Arizona
>
> I couldn't read the attachment sent by Roger, but here
> is the "pledge" I say. Personally, I have a hard time
> pledging allegiance to a flag...
>
>
> I pledge allegiance to this Earth
> and the life that makes this place possible
> and to all of creation on which we depend.
> One planet, under the sun,
> indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>
>
> Not nearly as controversial as the standard pledge,
> now is it?;)
>
> gclev
>
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