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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes, of course. I was being facetious, but
you are exactly right.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And for those who really want to understand the
idea of allegiance and true compassion, let me recommend Elie Wiesel's book,
Night, which was reissued several years ago. You, too, Donovan.
I'm sure Betsy can get it for you if you ask.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue H.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=betsyd@turbonet.com href="mailto:betsyd@turbonet.com">Betsy
Dickow</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of
alligance written by a 15 yearoldinArizona</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was referring to the ship that was turned back
when the US would not accept the refugees...referencing Sue's comment about
the wandering boat.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Betsy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> ; <A
title=betsyd@turbonet.com href="mailto:betsyd@turbonet.com">Betsy Dickow</A>
; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'vision2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of
alligance written by a 15 yearoldinArizona</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good Lord, Donovan, read the whole thing and
then respond to it--or not. I am well aware of the difference between
refuses and unable......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=betsyd@turbonet.com
href="mailto:betsyd@turbonet.com">Betsy Dickow</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'vision2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 21, 2008 8:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] New pledge
of alligance written by a 15 yearoldinArizona</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>"And there are thousands of babies born in this country each day who
are, in fact, citizens, who cannot say the pledge."--SueH</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>LOL. There is a difference between refuses and unable. Children
cannot consent, so they cannot refuse or accept.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"This really happened in WWII, but the poor
Jews were sent back to Germany to die in gas chambers."--Betsy
Dickow</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What a load of baloney. The USA did not send Jews to Germany to get
gassed by Hitler because they refused the pledge. The pledge wasn't even
official under after WWII.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bottom line is here, if you don't care about the country that
protects you, go live in one that you will. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Betsy Dickow <betsyd@turbonet.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This really happened in WWII, but the poor
Jews were sent back to Germany to die in gas chambers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry for the grim reminder.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Betsy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bookpeople@moscow.com
href="mailto:bookpeople@moscow.com">bookpeople of moscow</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=betsyd@turbonet.com
href="mailto:betsyd@turbonet.com">betsyd@turbonet.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 21, 2008 8:47
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] New
pledge of alligance written by a 15 year oldinArizona</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And there are thousands of babies born in
this country each day who are, in fact, citizens, who cannot say the
pledge. When they are old enough we could have a
sorting process whereby those who say it get a stamp of citizenship
and those who refuse get sent off to one of those 100s
countries you mention. Of course, if they aren't wanted
there we could just keep them on some ship and let them float
from port to port--sort of modern day Philip Nolans.
(Remember--THE MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY) And Geo. Bush wouldn't
even have to build a fence to keep them out. Simple solutions
for ..............................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>SueH </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=idahotom@hotmail.com href="mailto:idahotom@hotmail.com">Tom
Hansen</A> ; <A title=sslund_2007@verizon.net
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
title=garrettmc@verizon.net
href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net">'Garrett Clevenger'</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Vision 2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 21, 2008
4:22 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] New
pledge of alligance written by a 15 year oldin Arizona</DIV>
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<DIV>I think everyone that refuses the pledge should not be allowed
citizenship. If you don't like this country, there are 100s of
others to choose from. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Tom Hansen <<A
href="mailto:idahotom@hotmail.com">idahotom@hotmail.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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"The Pledge of Allegiance" as acknowledged and honored by most of
us (myself included) . . .<BR><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjZj4NY7EM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjZj4NY7EM</A><BR> <BR>Another
Pledge of Allegiance reflective of others among us . . .<BR><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGwssbm2V5E">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGwssbm2V5E</A><BR> <BR>You
make the call, Moscow.<BR> <BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow,
Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<BR>> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:18:39 -0700<BR>> From:
sslund_2007@verizon.net<BR>> To: garrettmc@verizon.net;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge
of alligance written by a 15 year old in Arizona<BR>> <BR>>
Hi Garrett,<BR>> <BR>> Don't worry -- you didn't miss
anything, I'm sorry to say :-( I really<BR>> liked Roger's
forward about Attitude and so was disappointed to read the<BR>>
forwarded new Pledge of Allegiance School Prayer :-( It was
nothing more<BR>> than yet another Christian refusing to accept
that we've got non-Christian<BR>> kids in public schools whose
faith is just as important to them as Christian<BR>> views are
to Christians.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Loving My Delete
Key,<BR>> Saundra Lund<BR>> Moscow, ID<BR>> <BR>> The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
do<BR>> nothing.<BR>> ~ Edmund Burke<BR>> <BR>> *****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life
plus<BR>> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward,
excerpt, or reproduce outside<BR>> the Vision 2020 forum
without the express written permission of the<BR>>
author.*****<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>
From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>> On Behalf Of
Garrett Clevenger<BR>> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:11
AM<BR>> To: Vision 2020<BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] New
pledge of alligance written by a 15 year old in<BR>>
Arizona<BR>> <BR>> I couldn't read the attachment sent by
Roger, but here<BR>> is the "pledge" I say. Personally, I have
a hard time<BR>> pledging allegiance to a flag...<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> I pledge allegiance to this Earth<BR>> and
the life that makes this place possible<BR>> and to all of
creation on which we depend.<BR>> One planet, under the
sun,<BR>> indivisible, with liberty and justice for
all.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Not nearly as controversial as the
standard pledge,<BR>> now is it?;)<BR>> <BR>>
gclev<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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