[Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 year oldinArizona

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 22 12:41:47 PDT 2008

  While I was in Student Government, I was surprised at the number of visitors in this country, and legal immigrants that were angered by the number of illegals in this country and how unfair it was for them to come here legally, and they get here illegally. 
  Yes, they did come here, Keely, and steal jobs illegal from US workers. Not only did they steal from jobs for US citizens, but also from those that are trying to come here legally. 
  People are bigots, and they think, falsely, that Illegals are a bunch of stupid idiots that are lazy and do only jobs . Nothing is further from the truth. Most the Illegals in the US, are much smarter than the average person, that is how they got here and that is why are hired to take the jobs in place of other US citizens. They come here, work for six months, send money back to their home country, escape paying taxes, and putting other US workers on welfare and workers compensation. Tell the millions of Americans unemployed, nothing was taken from them. 
  Best Regards,
keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
      .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }    I'm fascinated at the thought that taking the enormous personal risk to come here and work back-breaking, underpaid hours in dangerous, unforgiving agricultural settings or poorly regulated factories while buying goods from the local economy constitutes "just taking from" this country.  Further, my decade-plus of working with undocumented immigrants gave me a scant handful of examples of people who came here with the intention of returning to Mexico, and none of those who did so with the idea that they had really put the shaft to us gabachos.

Dios mio.


  Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:54:50 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
To: chasuk at gmail.com; betsyd at turbonet.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 year oldinArizona

  That isn't true. And secondly, we are defeating ourselves when you allow people to be citizens in this country when they don't believe in it, defending it, honoring it, or wanting to be a part of it. They cheapen the value of a US citizenship. I am tired of people in this country tearing it down, while sucking from it its benefits. If you don't want to be loyal it to, and have a loyalty to another country instead, go there. 
  This is my chief problem with illegal immigration. Many of the people that come don't want to denounce their own country, they just want to take from this one and return to their own. I would take an illegal immigrate that wants to be a loyal US citizen, than a current US citizen that hates the US living here and whining about how things are so much better in another country, a country they probably have never been to. 

Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
  On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Betsy Dickow wrote:

> This really happened in WWII, but the poor Jews were sent back to Germany to
> die in gas chambers.

> Sorry for the grim reminder.

Thank you for the grim reminder. I had never heard of this.

I can't think of anything more freedom-hating than what Donovan is
suggesting. I am stunned that anyone could seriously make such a
suggestion without realizing that it would effectively abolish
everthing good that the US ostensibly stands for, all in one swoop.
Forget about terrorists. We would have defeated ourself, and deserved

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