[Vision2020] Ripping the Easter Bunny's Head Off : Was:Of, By &

[Tom Hansen]

Roger Falen stated:
 
"I am a scientist. The most important thing is scientific experimentation is repeatability."
 
Question, Mr. Falen:  As a scientist, in what field do you perform your research?
 
This is a side of you of which I have been totally unaware.  This intrigues me.  It's amazing, the unbeknownst resources right here on the Viz.
 
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho



> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:20:59 -0700> From: lfalen at turbonet.com> To: joekc at adelphia.net; tiedye at turbonet.com> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; donaledwards at hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ripping the Easter Bunny's Head Off : Was:Of, By &> > I am a scientist. The most important thing is scientific experimentation is repeatability.> Roger> -----Original message-----> From: Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:03:50 -0700> To: Dave tiedye at turbonet.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ripping the Easter Bunny's Head Off : Was:Of, By &> > > Dave,> > > > I agree with you, sort of, BUT I would make two points.> > > > 1/ It cannot possibly be the case that "Accepted theories are only accepted > > after ALL the alternative theories are proven false." For any one theory there > > are an infinite number of alternatives. Showing that all of them are false > > would be impossible. Things like simplicity, explanatory power, etc. play a > > role in our choice of one scientific theory over another. This goes beyond > > empirical confirmation or refutation.> > > > 2/ Science never proves anything only if your standard for proof is > > demonstrative certainty (such as we find in math and formal logic). If the > > standards are loosened -- induction, abduction, inference to the best > > explanation, etc. -- you'd have to admit that science proves some things.> > > > --> > Joe Campbell> > > > ---- Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com> wrote: > > > > =============> > Sorry Rodger, but this is incorrect as well (and a pet peeve of mine).> > > > Science, with the exception of some Mathematics, does not ever "prove" > > anything. Science is function of disproof. Accepted theories are only > > accepted after ALL the alternative theories are proven false. But still > > they are only considered accepted theories, never a "proof". > > > > So to restate your sentence correctly one could say "Science is based on > > disproving the negative based on repeatable results."> > > > For some reason it seems that few people other then scientists > > understand this vital concept.> > > > Dave> > > > > > lfalen wrote:> > > Donovan> > > You are correct in that you can not prove there is no god. Science does not work that way. It is difficult if not imposable to prove a negative. Science is based on proving a positive based on repeatable results. This is why any religious belief should be separate from science. Both have value but should not be mixed together.> > > Roger> > > > > > > > > -- > > Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:> > McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.> > > > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet, > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > > http://www.fsr.net > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> > > > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet, > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > > http://www.fsr.net > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> > =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================
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