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<body class='hmmessage'>Roger Falen stated:<BR>
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"I am a scientist. The most important thing is scientific experimentation is repeatability."<BR>
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Question, Mr. Falen: As a scientist, in what field do you perform your research?<BR>
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This is a side of you of which I have been totally unaware. This intrigues me. It's amazing, the unbeknownst resources right here on the Viz.<BR>
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Tom Hansen<BR>
Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:20:59 -0700<BR>> From: lfalen@turbonet.com<BR>> To: joekc@adelphia.net; tiedye@turbonet.com<BR>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com; donaledwards@hotmail.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ripping the Easter Bunny's Head Off : Was:Of, By &<BR>> <BR>> I am a scientist. The most important thing is scientific experimentation is repeatability.<BR>> Roger<BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> From: Joe Campbell joekc@adelphia.net<BR>> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:03:50 -0700<BR>> To: Dave tiedye@turbonet.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ripping the Easter Bunny's Head Off : Was:Of, By &<BR>> <BR>> > Dave,<BR>> > <BR>> > I agree with you, sort of, BUT I would make two points.<BR>> > <BR>> > 1/ It cannot possibly be the case that "Accepted theories are only accepted <BR>> > after ALL the alternative theories are proven false." For any one theory there <BR>> > are an infinite number of alternatives. Showing that all of them are false <BR>> > would be impossible. Things like simplicity, explanatory power, etc. play a <BR>> > role in our choice of one scientific theory over another. This goes beyond <BR>> > empirical confirmation or refutation.<BR>> > <BR>> > 2/ Science never proves anything only if your standard for proof is <BR>> > demonstrative certainty (such as we find in math and formal logic). If the <BR>> > standards are loosened -- induction, abduction, inference to the best <BR>> > explanation, etc. -- you'd have to admit that science proves some things.<BR>> > <BR>> > --<BR>> > Joe Campbell<BR>> > <BR>> > ---- Dave <tiedye@turbonet.com> wrote: <BR>> > <BR>> > =============<BR>> > Sorry Rodger, but this is incorrect as well (and a pet peeve of mine).<BR>> > <BR>> > Science, with the exception of some Mathematics, does not ever "prove" <BR>> > anything. Science is function of disproof. Accepted theories are only <BR>> > accepted after ALL the alternative theories are proven false. But still <BR>> > they are only considered accepted theories, never a "proof". <BR>> > <BR>> > So to restate your sentence correctly one could say "Science is based on <BR>> > disproving the negative based on repeatable results."<BR>> > <BR>> > For some reason it seems that few people other then scientists <BR>> > understand this vital concept.<BR>> > <BR>> > Dave<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > lfalen wrote:<BR>> > > Donovan<BR>> > > You are correct in that you can not prove there is no god. Science does not work that way. It is difficult if not imposable to prove a negative. Science is based on proving a positive based on repeatable results. This is why any religious belief should be separate from science. Both have value but should not be mixed together.<BR>> > > Roger<BR>> > > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -- <BR>> > Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:<BR>> > McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.<BR>> > <BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> > http://www.fsr.net <BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > <BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> > http://www.fsr.net <BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> <BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> http://www.fsr.net <BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR><BR></body>
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