[Vision2020] Banditry is Not an Option Was: Economists
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Sun Mar 2 13:43:59 PST 2008
The US Government seizing control of oil rigs in order to maintain oil
prices.
Government-controlled commerce? Hmmm.
This sounds all too familiar.
Now, how does this distinguish our form of government from . . . oh,
say . . . er . . . uh . . . Communism?
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
>
> I am relieved that your plan does not involve taking over oil rigs in
othe> r countries.
>
> I don't know that I want soldiers running oil rigs though. Your plan
still> involves a taxpayer subsidy, since it requires government workers
running
> these rigs, and additionally there is a 'takings' problem when we seize
pri> vate property.
>
> Sunil
>
> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:08:14 -0800
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Banditry is Not an Option Was: Economists
Predict> ed $90/Barrel...
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Sunil, You have way too much of an overactive imagination. You are
obvi> ously unaware that many oil rigs are sitting in the ocean unmanned,
and
tur> ned off so that it drives up the oil prices. We don't have to go to
other
n> ations, or take anything the government and taxpayers didn't pay for in
one> way or another. We don't need to kill or shoot anyone. Just take back
what> is US property that was abandoned. The United States Government
shoul> d produce its own oil, 30% of US supply, so it can control the
market rate
> for oil, in much the same way we control interest rates. If the United
Stat> e produced its own oil, it could sell oil at a lower rate to drive
down
its> market price down. If it sold oil for $80 a barrel, it would drive
the
bar> rel price down. It would also eliminate our dependence on foreign
nations,
> and our need to readily invade other nations that do produce it and won't
g> ive it to us
> at an affordable rate. Regards, Donovan
>
> Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote: Snide?
Snide?
> I credit you with 'Swiftian' and I get 'snide?'
>
> Donovan, it seems to me the oil rigs you think we should consider taking
ov> er are in other countries and belong to other people. You appear to be
adv> ocating invasions of other countries to steal their property. So we
should> underwrite immense war debt to subsidize fuel prices? (I'm
setting aside
> the moral aspects here for simplicity's sake, so we'll leave out the dead
f> oreign people for a moment.)
>
> Or did I miss something? Were all the oil
> wells here in the US?
>
> Sunil
>
> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 01:13:55 -0800
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Banditry is Not an Option Was: Economists
Predict> ed $90/Barrel...
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Sunil, Thanks for the snide remarks. It certainly adds to the
quality> of emails here on the community Viz. Best Regards,
Donovan
>
> Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote: The President
ha> s already embarked on phase 1 of Donovan's Swiftian proposal. It's
> called the Iraq War, and thus far it hasn't worked as planned.
>
> Sunil
>
> > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:56:42 -0800
> > From: chasuk at gmail.com
> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Banditry is Not an Option Was: Economists
Predicted> $90/Barrel...
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Donovan Arnold
> > <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What if the next president did the same thing with oil? What if the
mil> itary
> > > forced itself onto oil rigs and started pumping more oil, and build
and
> > > opened more oil refiners to make sure we had affordable energy in the
> > > country? What would be the consequences of that action?
> > > If the president forced the private energy market to charge
reasonable
> > > prices by releasing its own oil production efforts and releasing oil
fr> om
> > > its reserve?
> >
>
> > I would be uncomfortable with our military acting as bandits so that
> > our obese pampered citizenry could continue to make midnight runs to
> > WinCo for Twinkies and Mountain Dew. I know, I'm simplifying, but not
> > by much. Sometimes, these midnight runs include Twinkies, Mountain
> > Dew, and Doritos.
> >
> > Now, being really, sincerely serious, I would never, ever condone
> > using our miltary as bandits, for whatever reason. Of course, this
> > "never, ever" has three exceptions, but I'm fairly confident that
> > these three exceptions are far removed from reality.
> >
> > 1. I'm starving to death. My three bowls of rice and beans have
> > diminished to a single bowl of rice and beans, and then to a bowl of
> > rice without beans. The menu might vary, but my bare nutritional
> > needs are not being met. Banditry is okay by me when it is necessary
> > to guarantee my literal survival, no other
> proviso required.
> >
> > 2. The government spends at least $1 trillion on developing
> > alternative energy sources. If we can spend that much money killing
> > people, we can spend that much money developing ways to unyoke the
> > world from the petroleum beast. If our scientists are given that much
> > money to spend -- with oil companies, oil company lobbyists and oily
> > politicians put on firm leashes -- thn we would find an oilless
> > solution.
> >
> > 3. Walk. I didn't get my driver's license until I was 26 years old.
> > It expired when I turned 30, which I didn't renew for the next twelve
> > years. Somehow, I managed. Generally, i walked everywhere. This
> > obviously isn't viable for everyone, but it is viable for millions of
> > USians who live two minutes from the supermarket and yet still drive
> > to the store to pick up that loaf of bread, or that all-important
> > Snickers. In other
> words, for my able-bodied peers who complain about
> > the price of gas and yet still walk only when their car is in the
> > shop, I whip out my smallest violin while simultaneously singing "boo
> > hoo hoo."
> >
> > Chas
> >
> >
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