[Vision2020] Gitmo

[Donovan Arnold]

Andreas,
 
Not all victims of 9/11 are dead. So you are incorrect in this regard. Second, it is criminal, in my opinion, not to bring those to justice that assisted in the planning, funding, preparation, and financing of the attacks. We must also stop or prevent others that may try it again. Those that assist in murder, are just as dangerous as those that pull the trigger, and need to be brought to justice. 
 
"Donovan, neither you nor I have control over the actions of
terrorists. Eighteen dead men caused the deaths of 3,000 others, and
no amount of vengeance will bring those people back. The best we can
hope for is perfect justice in the afterlife."
 
No, you and I don't as individuals don't have much control. But our government does have the ability to impact the actions of future terrorist attacks, and the obligation to bring those to justice that implement, planned, and financed past attacks. To ignore this, is to ignore the main function of government which is to protect us from foreign invasion and attack. 
 
"We can't prevent future terrorist attacks by chaining up, at
best, al-Qaida grunts." 
 
Andreas, I disagree, in war we shoot the grunts, not just the generals. Every terrorist we chain up, is one less we have to worry about killing an innocent person. We should be chaining up every terrorist we can, not only for past crimes, but for the prevention of future ones. Letting people out that have a demonstrated intent, interest, and ability to hurt Americans at home and abroad is irresponsible at best, if not criminal and incompetence. 
 
"In the meantime, we're losing our grip on what makes us Americans: a willingness to give up our lives in exchange for our liberty and national integrity."
 
Andreas, Americans not only are willing to give up their lives to protect this country, but they are right now. But to paraphrase General Patton, the goal of war is not to give up Americans lives for our liberty, but to get the enemy to give up their lives.
 
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan

 



 
 
 

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gitmo
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com, "Tom Hansen" <idahotom at hotmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 11:46 PM

> Andreas, what happened to the rights of all the dead people and their
> families that were killed on the 9/11? How about those people forced to
jump
> from a 100 story building to their death because of actions by the
> terrorists your sympathize with?

Donovan, the 9/11 hijackers are dead. They've been dead since 9/11.
Justice can't reach them.

> How about the rights of the people that were alive with their flesh burnt
off as they slowly
> wait for their death after the 9/11 attack, they have no rights?

The dead don't 'want' anything. Were they alive, they wouldn't
be
crying for the blood of random Taliban foot soldiers, Kashmir
insurgents, chauffeurs, and miscellaneous Afghan poppy farmers.

> What happened to their rights, Andreas?

> I don't see you squawking about the children left without a mother
> or fathers because of these terrorists?

Donovan, neither you nor I have control over the actions of
terrorists. Eighteen dead men caused the deaths of 3,000 others, and
no amount of vengeance will bring those people back. The best we can
hope for is perfect justice in the afterlife.

But until that point, we have to administer our flawed, limping system
of mortal justice. We have a system in place to prevent the punishment
of innocents; a system that has gone horribly awry. We've become the
agent forr tribal vendettas, tortured people who had nothing to do
with al-Qaida, and compromised our principles in service of ... what?

What have we actually gained, other than an immense legal quagmire?

> Do they get to appeal three, six,eight times, the judgment rendered
against them by this
> monsters?

I don't control the actions of terrorists. I do control the actions of
the United States government.

>You
> show no outcry for them. You show more concern and empathy for the 170
> terrorists that killed our people, then for the sick injustice done
against
> their victims. Why is that exactly, Andreas?

Because I can't bring them back. Neither can you. Indefinite torture
and detention doesn't change the past and it doesn't control the
future. We can't prevent future terrorist attacks by chaining up, at
best, al-Qaida grunts. In the meantime, we're losing our grip on what
makes us Americans: a willingness to give up our lives in exchange for
our liberty and national integrity.

-- ACS


      
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