[Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention

[Tom Ivie]

Semantics, when we are talking about the Constitution, should be left up to the Supreme Court, not me. I am not saying I agreed with their take on the issue, just thought it was interesting. Following their line of reasoning, is a POW really a POW if they were captured by an employee of a private firm who has a contract with the U.S. Gov't? Has this happened in previous wars? This is meant as a purely innocent question as I have no idea but would like to know. -Tom

Tom & Liz Ivie

--- On Mon, 6/16/08, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention
To: the_ivies3 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:54 PM

Tom and Liz
Regardless of the semantics on a declaration of war, If they were captured
during a battle, they should be considered prisoners of war. To release them
and sent them home, the take home message to our solders is- Take no prisoners.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Tom Ivie the_ivies3 at yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:24:45 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees�Can Challenge Detention

> This was the topic of a family discussion this weekend. One argument I
heard was that you have to define "war" in the
Constitution.  The argument was that the Constitution refers to war
between the U.S. and another country, not individuals and not groups. Though I
haven't verified this by any means. The family member went on to say that
the U.S. never went to war with Afghanistan. Afghanistan is where many of the
detainees�were captured. If this is the case, are they really prisoners of
war?  
> 
> Tom & Liz Ivie
> 
> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention
> To: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Chasuk"
<chasuk at gmail.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:09 PM
> 
> Most of these people were captured on the battlefield and a more
appropriately
> should be treated as prisoners of war. This is entirety different from
criminal
> offenses that occur within the US. No nation that I know of has released
> prisoners of war while the war is in progress. If any of theses detainee
are US
> citizens and were aressed within the US, they might legitimately be
subject to
> the US judical system.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:02:36 -0700
> To: Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention
> 
> > Chas,
> >    
> >   They were not deprived of due process of law. They were tried,
and found
> guilty before they are sent and locked up in Gitmo. The reason they are
not
> tried in American Civilian Courts is because they are not US Citizens and
> because if they were it would expose US classified information which would
put
> US soldiers and possibly civilians at risk. 
> >    
> >   Best Regards,
> >    
> >   Donovan
> > 
> > Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >   On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 18:59, Donovan Arnold
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Maybe we should create an "Adopt a Detainee"
program. Those
> that think they
> > > are innocent detainees can line up and open their homes
to people
> considered
> > > to be unfairly detained at Gitmo. If they really believe
that these
> people
> > > are innocent, and they are released, it would be unfair
to send them
> back to
> > > their home country to be killed, right?
> > 
> > I don't have any opinion as to the guilt or innocence of the
Gitmo
> > detainees, so I won't be inviting them into my house, thank
you.
> > However, that doesn't mean that I believe they should have
been
> > deprived of the due process of law, which is the real subject
here.
> > 
> > Chas
> > 
> > 
> >        
> > 
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