<table cellspacing='0' cellpadding='0' border='0' background='none' style='font-family:arial;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);width:100%;'><tr><td valign='top' style='font: inherit;'>Semantics, when we are talking about the Constitution, should be left up to the Supreme Court, not me. I am not saying I agreed with their take on the issue, just thought it was interesting. Following their line of reasoning, is a POW really a POW if they were captured by an employee of a private firm who has a contract with the U.S. Gov't? Has this happened in previous wars? This is meant as a purely innocent question as I have no idea but would like to know. -Tom<br><br>Tom & Liz Ivie<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 6/16/08, lfalen <i><lfalen@turbonet.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com><br>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention<br>To: the_ivies3@yahoo.com, vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:54 PM<br><br><pre>Tom and Liz<br>Regardless of the semantics on a declaration of war, If they were captured<br>during a battle, they should be considered prisoners of war. To release them<br>and sent them home, the take home message to our solders is- Take no prisoners.<br>Roger<br>-----Original message-----<br>From: Tom Ivie the_ivies3@yahoo.com<br>Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:24:45 -0700<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees�Can Challenge Detention<br><br>> This was the topic of a family discussion this weekend. One argument I<br>heard was that you have to define "war" in the<br>Constitution.&nbsp; The argument was that the Constitution refers to war<br>between the U.S. and another country, not individuals and not groups. Though I<br>haven't verified this by any means. The
family member went on to say that<br>the U.S. never went to war with Afghanistan. Afghanistan is where many of the<br>detainees�were captured. If this is the case, are they really prisoners of<br>war?&nbsp; <br>> <br>> Tom &amp; Liz Ivie<br>> <br>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, lfalen &lt;lfalen@turbonet.com&gt; wrote:<br>> From: lfalen &lt;lfalen@turbonet.com&gt;<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention<br>> To: "Donovan Arnold"<br>&lt;donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com&gt;, "Chasuk"<br>&lt;chasuk@gmail.com&gt;<br>> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:09 PM<br>> <br>> Most of these people were captured on the battlefield and a more<br>appropriately<br>> should be treated as prisoners of war. This is entirety different from<br>criminal<br>> offenses that occur within the US. No nation that I know of has released<br>> prisoners of
war while the war is in progress. If any of theses detainee<br>are US<br>> citizens and were aressed within the US, they might legitimately be<br>subject to<br>> the US judical system.<br>> Roger<br>> -----Original message-----<br>> From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:02:36 -0700<br>> To: Chasuk chasuk@gmail.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention<br>> <br>> &gt; Chas,<br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; They were not deprived of due process of law. They were tried,<br>and found<br>> guilty before they are sent and locked up in Gitmo. The reason they are<br>not<br>> tried in American Civilian Courts is because they are not US Citizens and<br>> because if they were it would expose US classified information which would<br>put<br>> US soldiers and possibly civilians at risk. <br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; Best
Regards,<br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; Donovan<br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; Chasuk &lt;chasuk@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br>> &gt; On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 18:59, Donovan Arnold<br>> &gt; wrote:<br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; &gt; Maybe we should create an "Adopt a Detainee"<br>program. Those<br>> that think they<br>> &gt; &gt; are innocent detainees can line up and open their homes<br>to people<br>> considered<br>> &gt; &gt; to be unfairly detained at Gitmo. If they really believe<br>that these<br>> people<br>> &gt; &gt; are innocent, and they are released, it would be unfair<br>to send them<br>> back to<br>> &gt; &gt; their home country to be killed, right?<br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; I don't have any opinion as to the guilt or innocence of the<br>Gitmo<br>> &gt; detainees, so I won't be inviting them into my house, thank<br>you.<br>>
&gt; However, that doesn't mean that I believe they should have<br>been<br>> &gt; deprived of the due process of law, which is the real subject<br>here.<br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; Chas<br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; <br>> &gt; <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>></pre></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>