[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention

[Warren Hayman]

Hello All,

Am I the only one wondering how much of this discussion could occur 
off-list?

Sorry to any offended by the question,

Warren Hayman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
To: <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention


> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 20:27, Donovan Arnold
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Again, I think you should start an "Adopt a Terrorist" program so that 
>> these
>> terrorists have a place to go since nobody will take them and you believe
>> that their continued stay in GTMO is a violation of their rights. You
>> clearly are allowing them to be abused by not adopting one of them.
>
> I wouldn't adopt a supposed terrorist any more than I would hire a
> supposed rapist to babysit my daughters.  That still doesn't mean that
> I think they should be denied a fair and speedy trial.
>
>> And so you know, I am not for giving up any of my rights. I am just not 
>> for
>> giving terrorists rights over that of our soldiers and their
>> terrorist victims. Unlawful combatants are not entitled to civil trials,
>> only military tribunals. If they wanted civilian rights, or the rights of 
>> a
>> lawful soldier, they should not have violated the Laws of War.
>
> Let's rephrase that:
>
>> And so you know, I am not for giving up any of my rights. I am just not 
>> for
>> giving rapists rights over that of their victims. Rapists are not 
>> entitled to publicly accountable trials,
>> only secret, non-accountable ones. If they wanted the same rights as the 
>> rest of us, should not
>> have been rapists.
>
> Conspicuously missing from both your version and mine is the word
> "alleged."  We are presumiing guilt instead of innocence here.
>
> All presuming guilt instead of innocence on the word of whom?  In many
> cases, bounty hunters?  Of military intelligence?  Our military
> intelligence which is so infamously unreliable that it is frequently
> used as an example of an oxymoron?
>
> Chas
>
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