[Vision2020] Some thoughts on terrorists and torture.

[keely emerinemix]

I believe that we all know by now that waterboarding isn't repeated dunking in water -- that's a wild pool party, perhaps, or the "frat boy pranks" that Limbaugh speaks of.  Waterboarding is intended to bring someone to the brink of drowning while making them believe that they are already.

Civilized nations don't do that.  I'd like to believe we are one.

Keely




From: idahotom at hotmail.com
To: lfalen at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:49:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Some thoughts on terrorists and torture.







Roger falen stated:

 

"I am not sure what all water boarding consists of. If it is nothing more than repeated dunking, I am not sure that it is. I would defer to John McCain on this."

 

Which John McCain are you deferring to, Roger?  The Roger McCain that was against torture or the John McCain that approved of it?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDmBTmYhZ1E

 

Waterboarding demonstration:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlLfRCkZuxQ

 

 

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho









> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:04:29 -0700
> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Some thoughts on terrorists and torture.
> 
> Nick 
> This is in response to your last two posts on GITMO. I am opposed to torture. The problem is in what constitutes torture.
> 
> Pulling out fingernails, hung up by the arms, and breaking bones are clearly torture. When I was is the Army there was a war game exercise in which dogs from the US Army Dog Training Center were used for interrogation. One First Lt. broke and was washed out of the program. I do not believe this constitutes torture. If the dog is turned loose on the captor, then of course it would be. I am not sure what all water boarding consists of. If it is nothing more than repeated dunking, I am not sure that it is. I would defer to John McCain on this.
> I have no doubt that some of the people held as terrorist are innocent. Paying a large bounty to turn people in is not a good policy and I agree would lead to innocent people being turned is for the mony. There needs to be some sort of secondary verification. As to news reports on the stories of detainees being tortured and their religion being insulted; I would take this with a grain of salt. I have read a lot of reports tha indicate the reverse. The reports say that the detainees are treated with kid gloves. The detainees are allowed to worship as the desire. If any of the guards show any disrespect for their religion it is the guards that are brought up on charges. The same goes for anything approaching torture. There were of course a few detainees related to 9/11 that were interrogated heavily. whether any of it constitutes torture is debateable.
> In any case there has been no further 9/11's
> Roger
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