[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: 935 False Statements Made Before War
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 26 12:53:42 PST 2008
From what I remember reading about this when it first broke, it was
more along the lines of the President telling the intelligence services
what he wanted them to conclude, and then ignoring anything that
contradicted that. Here's a link to a news report describing just
that:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml.
I'm also of the opinion that it is harder to hide a biological weapons
lab, for example, than a bottle of vodka. I'm sure it's at least
possible that WMDs are still in Iraq, but if they were found I'd imagine
it would be big news.
Paul
Glenn Schwaller wrote:
> It's interesting to note how the democratic politicians and the
> liberal news media maintain they were continuously "deceived" by the
> pack of lying intelligence community with respect to Iraq,
> Afghanistan, Pakistan and WMDs. However, when presented with "facts"
> that Iran has no nuclear program posing a threat to the US, Israel or
> the rest of the free world, the intelligence community is now lauded
> by these same politicians and media as the greatest fact finders and
> heros of the day. Why am I not surprised.
>
> Of course nobody found WMD's. Imagine my house is Iraq, and as a
> sneaky "recovering" alcoholic, my bottle of vodka is a WMD. Even
> given the limited scale of contraband to hiding places, I can assure
> you I can hide it such that you would never find it. Now consider the
> enormity of Iran and small WMD. You seriously believe that anyone
> much less the inept UN would be able to find anything?? Particularly
> if there is a strong incentive to keep it hidden? Particularly when
> they cannot search schools, hospitals, or religious houses of
> worship?? GMAFB.
>
> And Ms Mix . . . I think Ms Mix is truly Mix-ed Up if she believes the
> administration could keep selective information from the media, other
> politicians and the public in general. And thank you for your well
> wishes. Your continuously snide, derogatory comments to everyone you
> dislike never ceases to amaze me. And you have the gall to call
> anyone else on it. I remain astounded at how you can call yourself a
> Christian when you constantly demonstrate the most un-Christian-like
> attitude of all the Christians (and many heathens) I know . . .
>
> Cheers GS
>
> GS
>
> On 1/25/08, *Donovan Arnold* <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> I have always believed that Saddam Hussein had WMDs because Reagan
> and Bush gave them to him in the 1980s.
>
> Why are we acting surprised at Bush's deception of those foolish
> enough to believe him? It is easy to tell is a politician is
> lying, their lips move.
>
> I want to know which of the current candidates that are
> running tell the least number of lies.
>
> Bush is a lame duck. Let's focus on prevention of corruption in
> the future, not on the corruption of the current administration.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
> */Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>>/*
> wrote:
>
>
> All-
>
> Many people were deceived by the coordinated effort to hype
> Iraq's WMD capability in the late 1990s up to the 2003
> invasion. And it seemed many forgot that the US supported
> Iraq's weapons programs with aid, during the Reagan
> administration (why Reagan is such a huge hero I can't fathom,
> given his involvement with the US Constitution violating
> Iran/Contra scandal, aid to Saddam, support for Central
> American death squad dictators, and ill advised support for
> the Taliban in Afghanistan, the mujahideen 'freedom fighters,'
> and other black marks).
>
> Former Bush administration Secretary of Defense Donald
> Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam Hussein in 1983 when he
> served in the Reagan administration:
>
> http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm
> <http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm>
>
> http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html
>
> But being ill informed or deceived about Iraq's WMD program
> and ties to Al Qaeda is one thing. Cheney, Bush and others in
> the Bush administration, using the power of the executive
> branch, deliberately deceived the US public in hyping this
> danger, to justify an invasion and occupation of another
> nation by the US military, killing, given a conservative
> estimate, over 100,000 civilians, with over a million Iraqis
> now refuges or internally displaced (one reason the level of
> violence is down, with neighborhoods now ethnically cleansed
> into exclusive Sunni or Shite areas, as hundreds of thousands
> of Iraqis have fled for their lives). This is an impeachable
> offence, linked to the commission of war crimes, especially
> with the justifications and commission of torture, Abu Ghraib
> prison horrors, etc.
>
> The media, the vaunted Fourth Estate, along with the US
> Congress, failed utterly to expose the fabrications (yellow
> cake uranium from Niger), distortions (Iraq with ties to Al
> Queda and links to 9/11), and well known falsehoods (false
> claim Iraq had obtained centrifuge tubes for nuclear material
> processing), in the run up to the invasion. Even former
> Secretary of State Colin Powell has admitted he presented
> erroneous information to the UN in his presentation before the
> US invasion regarding Iraq WMD capability:
>
> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE3D9143FF934A25756C0A9629C8B63
>
> Pakistan's nuclear weapons are more of a threat to world
> security, it can be argued, than Saddam's WMDs ever
> were, given Pakistan has Islamic militants operating inside
> its borders, with sympathizers in the Pakistan military, who
> once supported the Taliban in Afghanistan. Amazing that a
> government with known ties to the Taliban and Al Qaeda, with
> Bin Laden suspected to be in hiding near or within its
> borders, is a US alley receiving millions in US military aid,
> while Saddam had no substantial ties to the Bin Laden/9/11
> Islamic militants.
>
> There are serious questions regarding why the US shifted the
> focus away from catching Bin Laden in the Afghanistan/Pakistan
> border area after the post 9/11 invasion of Afghanistan, while
> pushing for the invasion of Iraq with a demonization of Saddam
> as a threat to US national security. And that the US public
> did not question this refocus of our military, when the job of
> catching Bin Laden was left undone, suggests a disturbing
> susceptibility to simple minded sound bite scare tactic
> propaganda coupled with a very short attention span.
>
> Ted Moffett
>
> On 1/24/08, *Andreas Schou* <ophite at gmail.com
> <mailto:ophite at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Glenn--
>
> (1) Whose false statements did Kerry rely on in coming to the
> conclusion that Hussein presented a "particularly grievous
> threat?"
>
> (2) What was the result of Clinton's Iraq policy,
> including threats of
> force? Was it (a) an active WMD program, or (b) an
> inactive WMD
> program?
>
> -- ACS
>
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